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Where are you guys seeing a way of changing the display of 24-hour mode and changing the start-day for the week in Windows?
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format is set to: HH:mm:ss. HH Means I want a 24 hour clock. But the start of week is locked to the country selected I believe. Time format... HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\International\sTimeFormat The first day of the week is hidden here: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\International\iFirstDayOfWeek 0 = Monday, 6 = Sunday tormod |
Yes, I read your previous post, but how does the average user change these settings? I can't find an interface anywhere in XP.
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Will allow you to set the time format. This is normally set automatically when you set region and location. I believe the start of the week is controlled by the locale you have selected. I.e. Norway Googling the issue, shows that the only way to override it is via the registry. The start of week iFirstDayOfWeek key is present in Windows 2000, XP & Vista. tormod |
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In Win2k it's ... Start\Settings\Control Panel\Regional Options\Date ... (or Time) ... - (I think XP is the same)
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XP is close but slightly different from 2k - pretty much as Tomod described in words above. Here it is described in a pic. :)
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When will Ma3 with the clocks/calendar be available in the installer version?
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From earlier today! - on the thread called, "MA3 - READ THIS FIRST!"...
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Wow, that interface for changing those settings is nearly as obscure as going into the Registry directly. I was hoping for something more along the lines of right-clicking the time readout.
The reason this is imortant is that if get into an area which the average user is not familiar with, we suddenly become responsible for teaching them. If there are 50 million copies of a program out there, and just one person in 1000 is wondering why his clock is showing 24-hour time, that's 50,000 emails. So if I'm going to support other time/date modes, I think that the user will need to be able to set it from within the program, and I shouldn't get the settings from the Registry. |
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Of course, it means that you would have to code one more set of "pickers" with user interface, and presumably handle all of the added complexities of 31.12.1999, 1999/12/31, 12/31/1999, 31 DEC 99, December 31, 1999, etc. Not to mention the appropriate names (and single-character abbreviations) for the days, and names of the months (associating them with various choices of language). And explain that somewhere. There would be significant complexity to doing that, rather than just reading the registry settings - or just saying "No, that's the only way MA3 works". I just (quickly) counted 11 applications on my PC that display some form of day/time. I'm personally thankful that I don't have to change each of them. There could be some advantage to being able to tell 50,000 people "It's Microsoft's fault - go ask them". |
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think it makes sense to use them. What about date and time functions in the libraries are none of them locale aware ? tormod |
Just for the record, my system's clock has always been set to display 12:00 hour time. - Beta9a is displaying it the same way. ie, It's now 6:48pm.
Therefore, think of it this way, Jim.... If those 50,000 people are keen enough to have changed their display to or from 24 hour time, then they must already have found out how to do it. And if they wish to change it again for MA3... (And if my system is anything to go by, they won't need to!)... Then they will know what to do. I don't personally consider the style of clock/calendar display to be an important detail. - And I don't think you should waste your time on it! I'm not bothered when I see a clock or a calendar in a bank or in a railway station, etc, I accept it for what it is. - I don't ask them to change its style! ;) ..... Let's all move on! ps, - Did you say there was a reason, why the MA2.6+Time system can't be used in MA3 ? ... :confused: ... (Was it the DirectX version?) |
It was written by Will or Edgar, so it's incomprehensible to me. Had to start from scratch.
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There is nothing in that request that implies Jim needs to add an interface to modify Windows' time/calendar settings, nor is it implied that Jim has to worry about how easy/difficult it is for the average user to navigate those settings. The only issue is, IF a user has modified those settings, can MA3 reflect those settings? The settings are easy to pick up from the registry key, which should remain unchanged for Win2k - Win7; and if the registry key isn't there, then MA3 should fall back to 12-hour/Sunday first display That's not a lot of coding to handle that request, and I don't think that anything else should be read into it. ~Ralph S. |
Is the Registry Key the same in Vista?
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Any little request will mean a feature. Also means it will need documentation. Any feature will mean a test on all versions. Any bugs will mean all will complain. :)
Edit: There goes the clams from moving. :) |
I agree! ... So why do we need it? ... Can we have a vote?
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The only reason it's important is because MA2.6 had it. Users complain loudly when a new version is missing something a previous version had. A lot of executives liked to be able to just glance at the screen to see what time it was.
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OK, I'll use the Registry Key to change the 24-hour time format, because that's pretty easy. But changing the start day of the week is more difficult, so that will have to wait. It will be quite some time before international versions of this program come out, because it's changing so rapidly.
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I concur with figuring out how the date/time should be displayed by reading the user's locale settings.
It is only if that user goes out of their way to change things that will notice any difference. |
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I have to say I agree with cjmaddy. For me it's about aquatics. I wouldn't dream of spoiling the scene with a clock. Personally I'm much more interested in other developments within MA3 and I would hate the clock to get in the way of those. |
We need live clams!!! If you want to know the time, buy a clock! What day it is, put a calendar next to your computer! Don't need music, time, calendar ...... NEED clams, anemones, an eel!! an octopus!!!!
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hey, I know...perhaps Jim could strap a watch around one of the fish as he redoes them, and it could just swim along with the scrolling... same with a calendar, just pierce a dorsal fin and it could carry it along, or maybe some sort of crab could just carry it around... or perhaps the time could pop out of a clam as it opens...see...easy enough to get this ball rolling...... *wink
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someone mentioned eels before....I viewed a "live" plasma aquarium tv program, you know, one of those things you put on when you aren't watching telly( I much prefer MA and DreamAquarium for that)....it had an eel inside those pink/maroonish striped things that the bubbles emerge from in MA3...that might be another optional home/hiding place for Jim's future fun critters, along with the cave...
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Yes, that's one reason for the hollow barnacle shells. Critters will be able to hide in them.
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Hopefully we will all live long enough to see a critter.
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I am regrettably beginning to think that we won't! :sad:
It's rapidly approaching that point where I fear that the lunatics may have taken over the asylum... ;) |
Sorry, I haven't been paying attention. Working on the clams, you know.
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Clams.....clams...,.clams.....clams.....clams....: )
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I'm still not quite clear on what Windows does with the 24-hour clock info.
I put in code to read the Registry settings for 12-hour/24-hour display mode. When I fired up MA3, the clock was in 24-hour mode. So I used the Control Panel / Regional and Language interface to change it to 12-hour mode. MA3 adjusted itself to that mode. So it appears that the setting on my computer had always been 24-hour mode, which I can't understand, since the time readout in the lower-right corner of the screen has always been in 12-hour mode. |
hello even if it s not important, i disagree with some comments : this is NOT an aquarium but a screensaver, and having the hour is something good. at work or at home, it can help, rather than having a clock and otherthings on your desk :) and it s not because of marine 2.6 ;) but the most important is to have fun with our sceen saver ;) my only complaint, and i m surely the only one , it's rhe back which is too ... clean :) no problems for me with beta9a except it doesn't ask me for the key 2.6. surely because i have enterd it for a previous beta ...
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It's a marine aquarium simulation. People can use it as a screensaver if they wish.
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