Royal Gramma Fin Bug still in V1.1

Starfire · 02-24-2002, 02:14 AM

Hi, Jim.

The Royal Gramma "fullbright left-fin" bug is still in V1.1. I posted a message about it on the old forum after the last beta was released.

The Royal Gramma's left fin "glows" even when all lights are turned down. Very obvious in wireframe mode as well. Seems as if the brightness of the fin texture is not affected by lighting conditions.

By the way, the Lionfish is fantastic. I think what it mimics so well is the grace in which it moves. Beautiful.

Starfire · 02-24-2002, 07:11 PM

By the way, are you guys also experiencing this bug?

Socrates · 02-24-2002, 07:36 PM

The fin is definately brighter on the gramma than anything else with tthe foreground lights all the way down.

Although it's barely even noticable. Add that to the fact that I don't use that fish and don't use auto lights, I gyess it really isn't a problem for me so I never noticed it until you pointed it out.

feldon34 · 02-24-2002, 08:16 PM

I didn't notice until I got my GeForce 2 MX 200 working this morning that the side fins on the Regal Tang and a couple other fish slightly slide into the body as they come forward. You don't really notice this at 30fps but at 60fps, it's noticeable to me.

If only we had so few things to complain about in the rest of our lives.

Starfire · 02-24-2002, 09:43 PM

Hmm. Morgan, is it only noticeable in wireframe or in normal mode as well?

Yellow Tang · 02-25-2002, 03:18 AM

Yes, I've noticed exactly the same. Some days ago I posted this:

Has anyone noticed this:

Put a Royal Gramma in the tank, turn all the lights down, wireframe on. Now look at the Royal Gramma, a fin on the left side is painted white(light-gray), all other wires are dark-gray. Looks a bit funny!

Don't know if this is a bug, because I can't see anything of this in normal mode.

Starfire · 02-25-2002, 07:37 AM

Yellow Tang, it's not very visible during normal running of the aquarium, unless you have auto-lights on.

I first noticed it back when the Starfish was released when I turned down the lights to try getting it to crawl up on the glass. With the lights all down, the Royal Gramma's fin was sticking out like a sore thumb, as if it was radioactive or something.

Maybe it should be renamed the "Royal Gamma". Hehe.

Yellow Tang · 02-25-2002, 09:23 AM

No, I can see this glowing fin only in wireframe mode, so this must be a driver issue.

feldon34 · 02-25-2002, 09:52 AM

Doctor, it hurts when I do this!

Then don't do that!

Wireframe is an unsupported bonus feature and the quality of its operation is not a tech support issue.

codgio · 02-25-2002, 05:19 PM

It's most noticable in wireframe mode, but it's definately visible under normal operation and I've seen it on all the various configurations that I've run the screen saver on.

Of course if it hadn't been pointed out to me I wouldn't have thought about it enough to conclude that the fin wasn't right. I'd just have idly watched it and accepted that it was meant to do that.

Also it was only when studying the "Bright Fin" phenomenon that I noticed the issue Morgan mentioned about the fins moving into the body as they come forward.

It's still only when I make an effort to look closely that I notice either of these. So I make a point of not making a point of looking for them. And like Socrates I never really use the Royal Gramma

pipeta · 02-25-2002, 05:40 PM

The bright fin is definately noticeable whithout wireframe but I don't think it is a bug worth wating time on.

Starfire · 02-25-2002, 06:27 PM

Pipeta, that's true. I would say that one would only notice it if auto-lights are on, or if you're weird and turn down the aquarium lights at night to let the fish "sleep".

It does, however, spoil the perfection of the screensaver in a way.

Frankly, I don't use the Royal Gramma much, in a way to stop myself from staring at that fin. Once you spot it, you tend to stare at it for some reason. Hehe.

Jim Sachs · 02-25-2002, 07:48 PM

The fix is near the bottom of a VERY long list.

Shinsa · 02-26-2002, 12:54 AM

Looks like Jim already knows about this one.

So, just for troubleshooting reasons... I see it too. Fore lights down, the fin on the LEFT side is much brighter (wire frame or not)

Starfire · 02-26-2002, 02:17 AM

Thanks, Jim.

Yellow Tang · 04-07-2008, 01:50 AM

Anyone noticed that this little fin made it through version 2.6?
Amazing!

02-24-2002, 02:14 AM	#1
Starfire Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15	Royal Gramma Fin Bug still in V1.1 Hi, Jim. The Royal Gramma "fullbright left-fin" bug is still in V1.1. I posted a message about it on the old forum after the last beta was released. The Royal Gramma's left fin "glows" even when all lights are turned down. Very obvious in wireframe mode as well. Seems as if the brightness of the fin texture is not affected by lighting conditions. By the way, the Lionfish is fantastic. I think what it mimics so well is the grace in which it moves. Beautiful.

02-24-2002, 07:36 PM	#3
Socrates Sage Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 1,529	The fin is definately brighter on the gramma than anything else with tthe foreground lights all the way down. Although it's barely even noticable. Add that to the fact that I don't use that fish and don't use auto lights, I gyess it really isn't a problem for me so I never noticed it until you pointed it out. Bat rays? We don't need no stinking bat rays!

02-24-2002, 08:16 PM	#4
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	I didn't notice until I got my GeForce 2 MX 200 working this morning that the side fins on the Regal Tang and a couple other fish slightly slide into the body as they come forward. You don't really notice this at 30fps but at 60fps, it's noticeable to me. If only we had so few things to complain about in the rest of our lives. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

02-25-2002, 09:52 AM	#9
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Doctor, it hurts when I do this! Then don't do that! Wireframe is an unsupported bonus feature and the quality of its operation is not a tech support issue. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

02-25-2002, 05:19 PM	#10
codgio Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Glasgow, UK Posts: 109	It's most noticable in wireframe mode, but it's definately visible under normal operation and I've seen it on all the various configurations that I've run the screen saver on. Of course if it hadn't been pointed out to me I wouldn't have thought about it enough to conclude that the fin wasn't right. I'd just have idly watched it and accepted that it was meant to do that. Also it was only when studying the "Bright Fin" phenomenon that I noticed the issue Morgan mentioned about the fins moving into the body as they come forward. It's still only when I make an effort to look closely that I notice either of these. So I make a point of not making a point of looking for them. And like Socrates I never really use the Royal Gramma Remember what the doormouse said...

02-24-2002, 07:11 PM	#2
Starfire Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15	By the way, are you guys also experiencing this bug?

02-24-2002, 09:43 PM	#5
Starfire Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15	Hmm. Morgan, is it only noticeable in wireframe or in normal mode as well?

02-25-2002, 03:18 AM	#6
Yellow Tang YT Join Date: Jan 2002 Tournaments Won: 1 Location: Germany Posts: 729	Yes, I've noticed exactly the same. Some days ago I posted this: Has anyone noticed this: Put a Royal Gramma in the tank, turn all the lights down, wireframe on. Now look at the Royal Gramma, a fin on the left side is painted white(light-gray), all other wires are dark-gray. Looks a bit funny! Don't know if this is a bug, because I can't see anything of this in normal mode.

02-25-2002, 07:37 AM	#7
Starfire Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15	Yellow Tang, it's not very visible during normal running of the aquarium, unless you have auto-lights on. I first noticed it back when the Starfish was released when I turned down the lights to try getting it to crawl up on the glass. With the lights all down, the Royal Gramma's fin was sticking out like a sore thumb, as if it was radioactive or something. Maybe it should be renamed the "Royal Gamma". Hehe.

02-25-2002, 09:23 AM	#8
Yellow Tang YT Join Date: Jan 2002 Tournaments Won: 1 Location: Germany Posts: 729	No, I can see this glowing fin only in wireframe mode, so this must be a driver issue.

02-25-2002, 05:40 PM	#11
pipeta Royal Gramma Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 146	The bright fin is definately noticeable whithout wireframe but I don't think it is a bug worth wating time on.

02-25-2002, 06:27 PM	#12
Starfire Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15	Pipeta, that's true. I would say that one would only notice it if auto-lights are on, or if you're weird and turn down the aquarium lights at night to let the fish "sleep". It does, however, spoil the perfection of the screensaver in a way. Frankly, I don't use the Royal Gramma much, in a way to stop myself from staring at that fin. Once you spot it, you tend to stare at it for some reason. Hehe.

02-25-2002, 07:48 PM	#13
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	The fix is near the bottom of a VERY long list. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-26-2002, 12:54 AM	#14
Shinsa Registered Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 407	Looks like Jim already knows about this one. So, just for troubleshooting reasons... I see it too. Fore lights down, the fin on the LEFT side is much brighter (wire frame or not) Bob "When you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." _______________________________________________

02-26-2002, 02:17 AM	#15
Starfire Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15	Thanks, Jim.

04-07-2008, 01:50 AM	#16
Yellow Tang YT Join Date: Jan 2002 Tournaments Won: 1 Location: Germany Posts: 729	Anyone noticed that this little fin made it through version 2.6? Amazing!