Anything fixing now?

hololo · 03-18-2009, 08:13 AM

Anything fixing now?
It's long time no any new beta.
If now is stable, wht not release 3.0?

Jav400 · 03-18-2009, 08:16 AM

I fail to understand why people cannot grasp the concept that Marine Aquarium 3.0 IS RELEASED ALREADY.

Go to Serenescreen and purchase it.

Jim will continue to make improvements as time goes on, but that doesn't mean its not available now.

hololo · 03-18-2009, 08:25 AM

If 3.0 is release, many people wish Freshwater Aquarium Alpha will begin test.
But it didn't.

rctneil · 03-18-2009, 08:33 AM

Jim, decided a few versions back that the beta was stable enough to release properly but they still call it a beta. Just a released beta. Due to the fact that the product is still having features added and is not yet feature complete.

It sounds though if jim releases Ma3 (no beta) then it seems like you wish all development on it to stop!

Thanks

Regards,
Neil

feldon34 · 03-18-2009, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by hololo:

Anything fixing now?
It's long time no any new beta.
If now is stable, wht not release 3.0?

It IS released. Go to SereneScreen.com and you can buy it RIGHT NOW.

feldon34 · 03-18-2009, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by hololo:

If 3.0 is release, many people wish Freshwater Aquarium Alpha will begin test.

Marine Aquarium 3 will be getting:

Animated Clams
Redesigned Fish
New Fish Behavior
More Lighting Controls

I believe all of that has to happen before the Freshwater will come close to Beta. The artwork for Freshwater is basically done from what I saw, it just needs the MA3 engine with shaders, etc.

Jim Sachs · 03-18-2009, 11:10 AM

There's no such thing as "feature complete". Even after 10 years of Marine Aquarium, people ask for new features every day. There will be additions and imnprovements to MA3 for years to come, even after the Freshwater Aquarium and other SereneScreen products are released.

The Freshwater Tank is still a long way off. It's true that I showed Morgan a test of it several years ago, but at that point it was really just the gravel, a bubblling tresure chest and four fish. One advantage is that I don't need to bring it over to DirectX8 - it already uses the new framework. In fact, when I started writing MA3 I began with the Freshwater Tank code, not MA 2.6. It took me about a year to create all the background objects in MA3, and the same would be true for Freshwater.

Dale · 03-18-2009, 11:56 AM

I suspect that the "problem" is that average folks, who have not been closely following this forum for several months, have great difficulty in grasping the concept of selling "MA3 Beta".

I'm not complaining - just pointing out that it's a rather unique concept. Which means that many folks won't grasp it easily.

They will either think that

(1) If it is being sold, then it is essentially feature-complete, except perhaps for a few bugs; or

(2) If it's a publicly-released Beta, then there is certainly a known schedule for release-to-manufacturing of the feature-complete version.

I have no suggestions for fixing that.

Jim Sachs · 03-18-2009, 12:22 PM

I'm not really complaining. Sales are strong and increasing (though still only 1/4 of what they were during the best years of the program). We have a new publisher lined up, Nova Development, and are encouraged that they have been trusted with the software for such high-profile companies as Berlitz, HGTV, and Sesame Street. So, we should be in the stores again within a few months, and the increased visibility translates directly to web sales. Prolific is also keen on doing some actual advertising this time around.

dwax · 03-18-2009, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

I'm not really complaining. Sales are strong and increasing

Dose that mean you get jelly with your peanut butter now?

Jim Sachs · 03-18-2009, 12:49 PM

We've graduated to ham sandwiches.

jleslie · 03-18-2009, 01:29 PM

Wow, take it easy, don't take any risks... ;-)

Dale · 03-18-2009, 02:10 PM

Jim, I didn't think you were complaining. I was just attempting to answer the following "issue" and other similar ones:

Originally posted by Jav400:

I fail to understand why people cannot grasp the concept that Marine Aquarium 3.0 IS RELEASED ALREADY.

03-18-2009, 08:13 AM	#1
hololo Registered Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Taipei Taiwan Posts: 43	Anything fixing now? Anything fixing now? It's long time no any new beta. If now is stable, wht not release 3.0?

03-18-2009, 08:16 AM	#2
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	I fail to understand why people cannot grasp the concept that Marine Aquarium 3.0 IS RELEASED ALREADY. Go to Serenescreen and purchase it. Jim will continue to make improvements as time goes on, but that doesn't mean its not available now. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

03-18-2009, 09:06 AM	#5
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Originally posted by hololo: Anything fixing now? It's long time no any new beta. If now is stable, wht not release 3.0? It IS released. Go to SereneScreen.com and you can buy it RIGHT NOW. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-18-2009, 09:08 AM	#6
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Originally posted by hololo: If 3.0 is release, many people wish Freshwater Aquarium Alpha will begin test. Marine Aquarium 3 will be getting: Animated Clams Redesigned Fish New Fish Behavior More Lighting Controls I believe all of that has to happen before the Freshwater will come close to Beta. The artwork for Freshwater is basically done from what I saw, it just needs the MA3 engine with shaders, etc. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-18-2009, 11:10 AM	#7
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	There's no such thing as "feature complete". Even after 10 years of Marine Aquarium, people ask for new features every day. There will be additions and imnprovements to MA3 for years to come, even after the Freshwater Aquarium and other SereneScreen products are released. The Freshwater Tank is still a long way off. It's true that I showed Morgan a test of it several years ago, but at that point it was really just the gravel, a bubblling tresure chest and four fish. One advantage is that I don't need to bring it over to DirectX8 - it already uses the new framework. In fact, when I started writing MA3 I began with the Freshwater Tank code, not MA 2.6. It took me about a year to create all the background objects in MA3, and the same would be true for Freshwater. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

03-18-2009, 08:25 AM	#3
hololo Registered Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Taipei Taiwan Posts: 43	If 3.0 is release, many people wish Freshwater Aquarium Alpha will begin test. But it didn't.

03-18-2009, 08:33 AM	#4
rctneil Registered Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 239	Jim, decided a few versions back that the beta was stable enough to release properly but they still call it a beta. Just a released beta. Due to the fact that the product is still having features added and is not yet feature complete. It sounds though if jim releases Ma3 (no beta) then it seems like you wish all development on it to stop! Thanks Regards, Neil

03-18-2009, 11:56 AM	#8
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	I suspect that the "problem" is that average folks, who have not been closely following this forum for several months, have great difficulty in grasping the concept of *selling "MA3 Beta"*. I'm not complaining - just pointing out that it's a rather unique concept. Which means that many folks won't grasp it easily. They will either think that (1) If it is being sold, then it is essentially feature-complete, except perhaps for a few bugs; or (2) If it's a publicly-released Beta, then there is certainly a known schedule for release-to-manufacturing of the feature-complete version. I have no suggestions for fixing that.

03-18-2009, 12:22 PM	#9
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	I'm not really complaining. Sales are strong and increasing (though still only 1/4 of what they were during the best years of the program). We have a new publisher lined up, Nova Development, and are encouraged that they have been trusted with the software for such high-profile companies as Berlitz, HGTV, and Sesame Street. So, we should be in the stores again within a few months, and the increased visibility translates directly to web sales. Prolific is also keen on doing some actual advertising this time around. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

03-18-2009, 12:44 PM	#10
dwax Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SOUTH DAKOTA Posts: 83	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: I'm not really complaining. Sales are strong and increasing Dose that mean you get jelly with your peanut butter now? By dustywax at 2011-12-13

03-18-2009, 12:49 PM	#11
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	We've graduated to ham sandwiches. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

03-18-2009, 01:29 PM	#12
jleslie Engineer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,279	Wow, take it easy, don't take any risks... ;-)

03-18-2009, 02:10 PM	#13
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Jim, I didn't think you were complaining. I was just attempting to answer the following "issue" and other similar ones: Originally posted by Jav400: I fail to understand why people cannot grasp the concept that Marine Aquarium 3.0 IS RELEASED ALREADY.