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Dale · 01-27-2010, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

I have a Facebook account, which I almost never check. But it does have its uses. Yesterday I connected with someone who was one of my best friends in Jr High, but who I haven't seen or heard about in 45 years.

I'm not suggesting that you personally should do this, but does SereneScreen have a Page on Facebook? Or perhaps do targeted advertising for MA3 on Facebook?

Jim Sachs · 01-27-2010, 10:23 AM

Yes, SereneScreen should probably have a presence on Facebook and Twitter. I just dread having to visit it every few minutes to find out whose cat just yawned.

harris · 01-27-2010, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

I just dread having to visit it every few minutes to find out whose cat just yawned.

Good one Jim.

It's amazing that so many people are entertained by such trivial amusement these days. Yep, I already know what some of you are thinking...

Dale · 01-27-2010, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

Yes, SereneScreen should probably have a presence on Facebook and Twitter. I just dread having to visit it every few minutes to find out whose cat just yawned.

I don't think Twitter is very effective for marketing things (personal opinion), but it's OK for marketing people and causes.

A Facebook Page is useful as a "fan site" (just like this forum is for us old folks), and for information about new developments, etc.

Facebook advertisements are a way to do targeted ads to people who would be potential customers. (e.g. people who are interested in saltwater aquariums and need to relax, etc.).

feldon34 · 01-27-2010, 11:43 AM

The problem with Twitter is the message length and inability to follow a conversation. I reply to your message, and you have to go hunting to find my message, and if my post was a reply to someone else's message, the quest continues. Only with software like TweetDeck is it possible to view a conversation at a glance.

And the message length. I would have had to write the above paragraph in 4 separate Tweets to get it all out. I can't even get a thought started with 140 characters. To me, twitter is public text messages from exhibitionist celebs.

patscarr · 01-27-2010, 12:42 PM

This is the SereneScreen Marine Aquarium fan group on Facebook There should really be an official Prolific page though.

Dale · 01-27-2010, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by patscarr:

This is the SereneScreen Marine Aquarium fan group on Facebook There should really be an official Prolific page though.

I see that you're the creator of that group. Good show.

And you're certainly correct that an official Page for (one or more of) Prolific, SereneScreen, or "Marine Aquarium 3" would be good marketing.

spetro · 01-27-2010, 06:45 PM

I've never bought anything form canned advertisement. Canned advertisement is a cheap way around paying fo REAL advertisement. I bought SereneScreen via office depot(the first time)!

Its like a good BBQ place.....if their food is good, it will be a matter of time before there is a line out the door, with no advertising!

Serenesreen 3 is still beta in new folk eyes. My opinion that a minor change in the program, and list from beta to real will plant the seed for advancement. As of now there is a touch of stagnation that may impede marketing to the next level....JMHO

Dale · 01-27-2010, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by spetro:

Canned advertisement is a cheap way around paying fo REAL advertisement.

I'm not sure I understand, but perhaps I will if you explain what you mean by "Canned advertisement" and what you mean by "REAL advertisement".

Thanks.

spetro · 01-28-2010, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by Dale:

I'm not sure I understand, but perhaps I will if you explain what you mean by "Canned advertisement" and what you mean by "REAL advertisement".

Thanks.

Canned advertisement to me means "free aggressive" advertisement. For example, lets just say a new member of this forum posts a link in any or several of the boards here. That link then has software programs in it for sale. Just by coincidence there is an aquarium program that is the websites center piece. I would find that offensive to me and would border on spam. I would never buy from such a group.

Real advertisement would be just that....paid for banner or ad that would help inform members of a certain forum. By paying for an ad that company is supporting the forum that the members belong to. So in reality all three parties win! The forum, the advertiser, and the members.

As for twitter and the like, I see a lot of companies going in that direction. Guess because its free and effective. Don't really go to those sites very much, so I don't want to voice an opinion either way. Hope this clears up what I was intending to point out the first time.

Dale · 01-28-2010, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by spetro:

Canned advertisement to me means "free aggressive" advertisement. For example, lets just say a new member of this forum posts a link in any or several of the boards here. That link then has software programs in it for sale. Just by coincidence there is an aquarium program that is the websites center piece. I would find that offensive to me and would border on spam. I would never buy from such a group.

Real advertisement would be just that....paid for banner or ad that would help inform members of a certain forum. By paying for an ad that company is supporting the forum that the members belong to. So in reality all three parties win! The forum, the advertiser, and the members.

As for twitter and the like, I see a lot of companies going in that direction. Guess because its free and effective. Don't really go to those sites very much, so I don't want to voice an opinion either way. Hope this clears up what I was intending to point out the first time.

OK, I understand. Mostly (I think) the difference between free-and-mostly-unwanted, and paid-forum-supporting.

How would you view an advertisement (for instance for MA3) that would only come the few people in a large social forum, who had mentioned that they have an aquarium and are really interested in PCs and are "stressed out"?

Assume that a company pays the social forum for each time the ad is sent to somebody, thus supporting the social forum - and incenting the company to closely limit the people it's sent to

spetro · 01-29-2010, 04:34 AM

Originally posted by Dale:

OK, I understand. Mostly (I think) the difference between free-and-mostly-unwanted, and paid-forum-supporting.

How would you view an advertisement (for instance for MA3) that would only come the few people in a large social forum, who had mentioned that they have an aquarium and are really interested in PCs and are "stressed out"?

Assume that a company pays the social forum for each time the ad is sent to somebody, thus supporting the social forum - and incenting the company to closely limit the people it's sent to

I don't see a problem with that. Its supporting the forum

Dale · 01-29-2010, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by spetro:

I don't see a problem with that. Its supporting the forum

What I described is essentially how Facebook advertising works.

spetro · 01-29-2010, 04:29 PM

As I stated...I don't have a FB account and Twitter is useless to me (even though I have an account that I never look at) LOL

My problems usually arise when dead beat dirt bags try to spam or get creative free advertising out of a forum such as this one or the others I affiliate with. Looks like we are on the same page

01-27-2010, 10:23 AM	#62
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	Yes, SereneScreen should probably have a presence on Facebook and Twitter. I just dread having to visit it every few minutes to find out whose cat just yawned. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

01-27-2010, 11:43 AM	#65
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	The problem with Twitter is the message length and inability to follow a conversation. I reply to your message, and you have to go hunting to find my message, and if my post was a reply to someone else's message, the quest continues. Only with software like TweetDeck is it possible to view a conversation at a glance. And the message length. I would have had to write the above paragraph in 4 separate Tweets to get it all out. I can't even get a thought started with 140 characters. To me, twitter is public text messages from exhibitionist celebs. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

01-27-2010, 12:42 PM	#66
patscarr Pet Shark Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Back in Buffalo Posts: 5,455	This is the SereneScreen Marine Aquarium fan group on Facebook There should really be an official Prolific page though. Patrick

01-27-2010, 09:11 AM	#61
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: I have a Facebook account, which I almost never check. But it does have its uses. Yesterday I connected with someone who was one of my best friends in Jr High, but who I haven't seen or heard about in 45 years. I'm not suggesting that you personally should do this, but does SereneScreen have a Page on Facebook? Or perhaps do targeted advertising for MA3 on Facebook?

01-27-2010, 11:08 AM	#63
harris Registered Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Missouri Posts: 122	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: I just dread having to visit it every few minutes to find out whose cat just yawned. Good one Jim. It's amazing that so many people are entertained by such trivial amusement these days. Yep, I already know what some of you are thinking...

01-27-2010, 11:09 AM	#64
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: Yes, SereneScreen should probably have a presence on Facebook and Twitter. I just dread having to visit it every few minutes to find out whose cat just yawned. I don't think Twitter is very effective for marketing things (personal opinion), but it's OK for marketing people and causes. A Facebook Page is useful as a "fan site" (just like this forum is for us old folks), and for information about new developments, etc. Facebook advertisements are a way to do targeted ads to people who would be potential customers. (e.g. people who are interested in saltwater aquariums and need to relax, etc.).

01-27-2010, 12:58 PM	#67
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by patscarr: This is the SereneScreen Marine Aquarium fan group on Facebook There should really be an official Prolific page though. I see that you're the creator of that group. Good show. And you're certainly correct that an official Page for (one or more of) Prolific, SereneScreen, or "Marine Aquarium 3" would be good marketing.

01-27-2010, 06:45 PM	#68
spetro Semper Paratus Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Georgia Mountains and Florida, USA Posts: 133	I've never bought anything form canned advertisement. Canned advertisement is a cheap way around paying fo REAL advertisement. I bought SereneScreen via office depot(the first time)! Its like a good BBQ place.....if their food is good, it will be a matter of time before there is a line out the door, with no advertising! Serenesreen 3 is still beta in new folk eyes. My opinion that a minor change in the program, and list from beta to real will plant the seed for advancement. As of now there is a touch of stagnation that may impede marketing to the next level....JMHO

01-27-2010, 10:36 PM	#69
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by spetro: Canned advertisement is a cheap way around paying fo REAL advertisement. I'm not sure I understand, but perhaps I will if you explain what you mean by "Canned advertisement" and what you mean by "REAL advertisement". Thanks.

01-28-2010, 05:35 AM	#70
spetro Semper Paratus Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Georgia Mountains and Florida, USA Posts: 133	Originally posted by Dale: I'm not sure I understand, but perhaps I will if you explain what you mean by "Canned advertisement" and what you mean by "REAL advertisement". Thanks. Canned advertisement to me means "free aggressive" advertisement. For example, lets just say a new member of this forum posts a link in any or several of the boards here. That link then has software programs in it for sale. Just by coincidence there is an aquarium program that is the websites center piece. I would find that offensive to me and would border on spam. I would never buy from such a group. Real advertisement would be just that....paid for banner or ad that would help inform members of a certain forum. By paying for an ad that company is supporting the forum that the members belong to. So in reality all three parties win! The forum, the advertiser, and the members. As for twitter and the like, I see a lot of companies going in that direction. Guess because its free and effective. Don't really go to those sites very much, so I don't want to voice an opinion either way. Hope this clears up what I was intending to point out the first time.

01-28-2010, 10:10 AM	#71
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by spetro: Canned advertisement to me means "free aggressive" advertisement. For example, lets just say a new member of this forum posts a link in any or several of the boards here. That link then has software programs in it for sale. Just by coincidence there is an aquarium program that is the websites center piece. I would find that offensive to me and would border on spam. I would never buy from such a group. Real advertisement would be just that....paid for banner or ad that would help inform members of a certain forum. By paying for an ad that company is supporting the forum that the members belong to. So in reality all three parties win! The forum, the advertiser, and the members. As for twitter and the like, I see a lot of companies going in that direction. Guess because its free and effective. Don't really go to those sites very much, so I don't want to voice an opinion either way. Hope this clears up what I was intending to point out the first time. OK, I understand. Mostly (I think) the difference between free-and-mostly-unwanted, and paid-forum-supporting. How would you view an advertisement (for instance for MA3) that would only come the few people in a large social forum, who had mentioned that they have an aquarium and are really interested in PCs and are "stressed out"? Assume that a company pays the social forum for each time the ad is sent to somebody, thus supporting the social forum - and incenting the company to closely limit the people it's sent to

01-29-2010, 04:34 AM	#72
spetro Semper Paratus Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Georgia Mountains and Florida, USA Posts: 133	Originally posted by Dale: OK, I understand. Mostly (I think) the difference between free-and-mostly-unwanted, and paid-forum-supporting. How would you view an advertisement (for instance for MA3) that would only come the few people in a large social forum, who had mentioned that they have an aquarium and are really interested in PCs and are "stressed out"? Assume that a company pays the social forum for each time the ad is sent to somebody, thus supporting the social forum - and incenting the company to closely limit the people it's sent to I don't see a problem with that. Its supporting the forum

01-29-2010, 08:18 AM	#73
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by spetro: I don't see a problem with that. Its supporting the forum What I described is essentially how Facebook advertising works.

01-29-2010, 04:29 PM	#74
spetro Semper Paratus Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Georgia Mountains and Florida, USA Posts: 133	As I stated...I don't have a FB account and Twitter is useless to me (even though I have an account that I never look at) LOL My problems usually arise when dead beat dirt bags try to spam or get creative free advertising out of a forum such as this one or the others I affiliate with. Looks like we are on the same page