Yes, I CAN exit to Win7-64

Arahanto · 02-09-2010, 03:36 AM

i believe i've found the culprit that was blocking MA3 from exiting properly. i think it is the BOINC program. i was finally pushed over the edge to reinstall everything when i found i couldn't launch any games. so when redoing the whole turkey and getting to boinc, i noticed the caution about Protected Execution possibly blocking any app that uses the GPU in the install options (under advanced). yes, i did not read it carefully the first time. so now everything is hunky dory. boinc probably inserted something deep in 7 that even uninstalling boinc does not work.

Jim Sachs · 02-09-2010, 04:03 AM

Thanks very much for getting back to us with the solution.

cjmaddy · 02-09-2010, 04:51 AM

But wouldn't it have been nice to have the solution in the same thread as the problem...

Dale · 02-09-2010, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Arahanto:

i believe i've found the culprit that was blocking MA3 from exiting properly. i think it is the BOINC program. i was finally pushed over the edge to reinstall everything when i found i couldn't launch any games. so when redoing the whole turkey and getting to boinc, i noticed the caution about Protected Execution possibly blocking any app that uses the GPU in the install options (under advanced). yes, i did not read it carefully the first time. so now everything is hunky dory. boinc probably inserted something deep in 7 that even uninstalling boinc does not work.

02-02-2010, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by Dale:

But actually, I suspect that uninstalling Boinc and rebooting will fix the problem.

Did you actually uninstall Boinc first, and reboot, as a test? Or did you just turn off Boinc (you said you "disabled" some things, but that's not the same as uninstalling).

Anyhow - glad you isolated the problem, and it wasn't anything to do with HDMI.

Arahanto · 02-10-2010, 11:22 PM

well, the other thread was kinda old; i didn't think anybody was still reading it.

i said in the beginning that i uninstalled it, so i must have rebooted, as well. now my memory is not so clear. i was so focused on fixing the problem. anyway, the important point is: DO NOT enable Protected Execution unless you want problems. i do not see the point to it anyway. boinc runs the same. maybe it's for mission-critical dedicated boxes.

Dale · 02-11-2010, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Arahanto:

i said in the beginning that i uninstalled it, so i must have rebooted, as well. now my memory is not so clear. i was so focused on fixing the problem. .

Depending on what version of Boinc you installed, and what installation options you chose, Boinc probably was running as a service. Which also means that any drivers would have been loaded when Windows started, and would not be unloaded until Windows is rebooted.

By enabling the Protected application execution option in the installer, you were installing BOINC as a service. Which (among other things) means that there's potentially a problem with video stuff. So, no protected mode - and not running as a service.

For future reference (of new folks reading this thread):

Boinc is a complex application for "volunteer and grid computing" - in other words, letting your computer work on some outside project when it isn't doing anything for you. Not surprising that there might be some chance for conflict with a program like MA3 which runs when you aren't doing anything else.

A couple of notes from the Boinc FAQ:

"...This means that BOINC will make accounts for itself in your Windows and assign itself rights to run BOINC as a service. By enabling the Protected application execution option in the installer, you will be installing BOINC as a service."

" Do NOT set it (Protected application execution) in Windows Vista and Windows 7 if you also want to use a GPU for crunching. The GPU will not be detected when BOINC is installed as a service."

Arahanto · 02-13-2010, 08:39 AM

If you try to run MA3 AND BOINC is still running, the same lock up issue will come back. Disabling BOINC before runing will prevent problems.

Dale · 02-13-2010, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by Arahanto:

If you try to run MA3 AND BOINC is still running, the same lock up issue will come back. Disabling BOINC before runing will prevent problems.

Thanks for the report.

02-09-2010, 03:36 AM	#1
Arahanto Registered Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 15	Yes, I CAN exit to Win7-64 i believe i've found the culprit that was blocking MA3 from exiting properly. i think it is the BOINC program. i was finally pushed over the edge to reinstall everything when i found i couldn't launch any games. so when redoing the whole turkey and getting to boinc, i noticed the caution about Protected Execution possibly blocking any app that uses the GPU in the install options (under advanced). yes, i did not read it carefully the first time. so now everything is hunky dory. boinc probably inserted something deep in 7 that even uninstalling boinc does not work.

02-09-2010, 04:03 AM	#2
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	Thanks very much for getting back to us with the solution. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-09-2010, 09:38 AM	#4
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by Arahanto: i believe i've found the culprit that was blocking MA3 from exiting properly. i think it is the BOINC program. i was finally pushed over the edge to reinstall everything when i found i couldn't launch any games. so when redoing the whole turkey and getting to boinc, i noticed the caution about Protected Execution possibly blocking any app that uses the GPU in the install options (under advanced). yes, i did not read it carefully the first time. so now everything is hunky dory. boinc probably inserted something deep in 7 that even uninstalling boinc does not work. *02-02-2010, 04:19 PM* Originally posted by Dale: But actually, I suspect that uninstalling Boinc and rebooting will fix the problem. Did you actually uninstall Boinc first, and reboot, as a test? Or did you just turn off Boinc (you said you "disabled" some things, but that's not the same as uninstalling). Anyhow - glad you isolated the problem, and it wasn't anything to do with HDMI. Last edited by Dale; 02-09-2010 at 11:32 AM.

02-13-2010, 08:39 AM	#7
Arahanto Registered Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 15	Addendum If you try to run MA3 AND BOINC is still running, the same lock up issue will come back. Disabling BOINC before runing will prevent problems.

02-09-2010, 04:51 AM	#3
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	But wouldn't it have been nice to have the solution in the same thread as the problem...

02-10-2010, 11:22 PM	#5
Arahanto Registered Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 15	well, the other thread was kinda old; i didn't think anybody was still reading it. i said in the beginning that i uninstalled it, so i must have rebooted, as well. now my memory is not so clear. i was so focused on fixing the problem. anyway, the important point is: DO NOT enable Protected Execution unless you want problems. i do not see the point to it anyway. boinc runs the same. maybe it's for mission-critical dedicated boxes.

02-11-2010, 10:17 AM	#6
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by Arahanto: i said in the beginning that i uninstalled it, so i must have rebooted, as well. now my memory is not so clear. i was so focused on fixing the problem. . Depending on what version of Boinc you installed, and what installation options you chose, Boinc probably was running as a service. Which also means that any drivers would have been loaded when Windows started, and would not be unloaded until Windows is rebooted. By enabling the Protected application execution option in the installer, you were installing BOINC as a service. Which (among other things) means that there's potentially a problem with video stuff. So, no protected mode - and not running as a service. For future reference (of new folks reading this thread): Boinc is a complex application for "volunteer and grid computing" - in other words, letting your computer work on some outside project when it isn't doing anything for you. Not surprising that there might be some chance for conflict with a program like MA3 which runs when you aren't doing anything else. A couple of notes from the Boinc FAQ: "...This means that BOINC will make accounts for itself in your Windows and assign itself rights to run BOINC as a service. By enabling the Protected application execution option in the installer, you will be installing BOINC as a service." " Do NOT set it (Protected application execution) in Windows Vista and Windows 7 if you also want to use a GPU for crunching. The GPU will not be detected when BOINC is installed as a service."

02-13-2010, 09:26 AM	#8
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by Arahanto: If you try to run MA3 AND BOINC is still running, the same lock up issue will come back. Disabling BOINC before runing will prevent problems. Thanks for the report.