Beta 11L discussion

harris · 06-12-2010, 06:06 AM

With limited testing (what has been discussed recently), everything is working great for me.

cjmaddy · 06-12-2010, 06:24 AM

11L is working fine for me also.

My normal 'unzip' program now works.
The analog clock face is centred once more.
FPS and CPU usage are steady.

.... Looks like it maybe ready for a none-beta 3.1 ? .... Though Abbott & Costello will no doubt disagree...

JohnWho · 06-12-2010, 06:35 AM

Wow, this board is becoming highly contentious.

I would say that thanks to the efforts of "Abbot & Costello",

the Bozos of the world will enjoy MA just a little more.

Meanwhile, on topic - I'll check out 11L later today.

hololo · 06-12-2010, 07:01 AM

still not fixed...

JohnWho · 06-12-2010, 07:21 AM

@ Jim -

Did you decide not to "gray out" the "Remove" box in the Music Playlist when CanonGuitar.sgt is the only item?

Or will that be for 11m?

JohnWho · 06-12-2010, 07:34 AM

Very minor point:

in the Clock/Logo Playlist

the Digital Clock/Calendar Options

Font Color "picker" is just slightly off to the right and is not centered under each color. It looks to me like the "slider" is not centered in the box which might resolve the issue.

Very minor, but, hopefully, we'll only find minor items now.

JohnWho · 06-12-2010, 07:41 AM

Jim -

Perhaps for up and down arrows - raise and lower music volume within MA3.1?

I have some music that is slightly lower in volume than others and this would allow volume alteration that does not affect the Windows overall level.

Just a thought.

Dale · 06-12-2010, 08:58 AM

As we have been repeatedly told, it's up to Jim to decide when it's 3.1.

Originally posted by JohnWho:

Jim -

Perhaps for up and down arrows - raise and lower music volume within MA3.1?

I have some music that is slightly lower in volume than others and this would allow volume alteration that does not affect the Windows overall level.

Just a thought.

I understand that problem. However, in the current production version (10d/3.0) the up and down arrows change the frame rate, and that change is "saved". I think a change in behavior from "change the frame rate" to "change the music volume" would not be appropriate.

Jim Sachs · 06-12-2010, 10:53 AM

The keyboeard-adjustable Sleep feature has always been a Beta testing tool, and was never intended to be included in a "final" version. I'm leaning toward making the up-down arrows a volume control. It's kind of nice to be able to quickly adjust the volume when you're on the phone, etc.

Dale · 06-12-2010, 11:29 AM

OK, I wasn't aware that it was just for testing.

So, the documented way to play with frame rate will be:

Originally posted by Dale:

SPACE BAR
Program Settings
Move Slider a bit
OK
OK

Repeat as desired? That makes it really difficult to visually compare how things look with different frame rates. Visual memory just isn't that good, when interrupted by stopped action and keyboard interaction.

Jim Sachs · 06-12-2010, 02:21 PM

I view Frame Rate as a set-it-once-and-forget-it type of thing, whereas the volume is something that might be adjusted fairly often.

JohnWho · 06-12-2010, 02:30 PM

Jim -

what about the other items above?

Hololo image

Gray out "Remove"

Center slider bar under colors

Dale · 06-12-2010, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

I view Frame Rate as a set-it-once-and-forget-it type of thing, whereas the volume is something that might be adjusted fairly often.

I totally agree, and I'm really not trying to be argumentative.

The question is how to visually compare different frame rates, in order to pick the most appropriate setting. I can do that easily with the arrow keys in 10d. I can't do that with 11L.

I'm open to hearing from others who can explain why the "five-step" process is better for visually adjusting the performance.

By the way - I'm not "hung up" on the up/down arrow keys. Those would be fine for volume control. Please just pick two other keys (for instance: page up and page down, or F8 and F9), and have them move the slider on the "frame rate". View it as to "facilitate testing". Leave it in the product.

Jim Sachs · 06-12-2010, 04:48 PM

Hololo image - Yes, that's one of many gaps in the unbelieveably complicated Clam object. The point of zero-return has been reached on plugging every gap from every camera angle. Fixing one causes another from a different angle. If I start tearing into that again, there goes the rest of the year.

Gray out "Remove" - No. It would mean more of the dreaded text work. Right now, the code just says, "If the list is empty, put in the default title." Graying it out would mean code that says,"If there is only one item on the list, compare the ASCII pattern with the one we are currentlly using for the default music. If they are the same, then gray out the "Remove" button. If another item is added, activate the "Remove" button again...yada yada..." Messy and unnesessary.

Center slider bar - I moved the right side very slightly. It's perfect on my machine, but Windows has ultimate control over that.

Frame Rate adjustment - I don't want a keyboard way of doing this. To much chance for ugliness caused by little fingers (or paws).

Jim Sachs · 06-12-2010, 05:06 PM

v11m is now up: http://www.fish-byte.com/MA3Beta.zip

06-12-2010, 06:06 AM	#1
harris Registered Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Missouri Posts: 122	Beta 11L discussion With limited testing (what has been discussed recently), everything is working great for me. Last edited by harris; 06-13-2010 at 05:20 AM.

06-12-2010, 06:35 AM	#3
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	Wow, this board is becoming highly contentious. I would say that thanks to the efforts of "Abbot & Costello", the Bozos of the world will enjoy MA just a little more. Meanwhile, on topic - I'll check out 11L later today. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-12-2010, 07:21 AM	#5
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	@ Jim - Did you decide not to "gray out" the "Remove" box in the Music Playlist when CanonGuitar.sgt is the only item? Or will that be for 11m? I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-12-2010, 07:34 AM	#6
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	Very minor point: in the Clock/Logo Playlist the Digital Clock/Calendar Options Font Color "picker" is just slightly off to the right and is not centered under each color. It looks to me like the "slider" is not centered in the box which might resolve the issue. Very minor, but, hopefully, we'll only find minor items now. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-12-2010, 07:41 AM	#7
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	Jim - Perhaps for up and down arrows - raise and lower music volume within MA3.1? I have some music that is slightly lower in volume than others and this would allow volume alteration that does not affect the Windows overall level. Just a thought. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-12-2010, 06:24 AM	#2
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	11L is working fine for me also. My normal 'unzip' program now works. The analog clock face is centred once more. FPS and CPU usage are steady. .... Looks like it maybe ready for a none-beta 3.1 ? .... Though Abbott & Costello will no doubt disagree...

06-12-2010, 07:01 AM	#4
hololo Registered Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Taipei Taiwan Posts: 43	still not fixed...

06-12-2010, 08:58 AM	#8
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	As we have been repeatedly told, it's up to Jim to decide when it's 3.1. Originally posted by JohnWho: Jim - Perhaps for up and down arrows - raise and lower music volume within MA3.1? I have some music that is slightly lower in volume than others and this would allow volume alteration that does not affect the Windows overall level. Just a thought. I understand that problem. However, in the current production version (10d/3.0) the up and down arrows change the frame rate, and that change is "saved". I think a change in behavior from "change the frame rate" to "change the music volume" would not be appropriate.

06-12-2010, 10:53 AM	#9
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	The keyboeard-adjustable Sleep feature has always been a Beta testing tool, and was never intended to be included in a "final" version. I'm leaning toward making the up-down arrows a volume control. It's kind of nice to be able to quickly adjust the volume when you're on the phone, etc. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

06-12-2010, 11:29 AM	#10
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	OK, I wasn't aware that it was just for testing. So, the documented way to play with frame rate will be: Originally posted by Dale: SPACE BAR Program Settings Move Slider a bit OK OK Repeat as desired? That makes it really difficult to visually compare how things look with different frame rates. Visual memory just isn't that good, when interrupted by stopped action and keyboard interaction.

06-12-2010, 02:21 PM	#11
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	I view Frame Rate as a set-it-once-and-forget-it type of thing, whereas the volume is something that might be adjusted fairly often. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

06-12-2010, 02:30 PM	#12
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	Jim - what about the other items above? Hololo image Gray out "Remove" Center slider bar under colors I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-12-2010, 04:39 PM	#13
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: I view Frame Rate as a set-it-once-and-forget-it type of thing, whereas the volume is something that might be adjusted fairly often. I totally agree, and I'm really not trying to be argumentative. The question is how to visually compare different frame rates, in order to pick the most appropriate setting. I can do that easily with the arrow keys in 10d. I can't do that with 11L. I'm open to hearing from others who can explain why the "five-step" process is better for visually adjusting the performance. By the way - I'm not "hung up" on the up/down arrow keys. Those would be fine for volume control. Please just pick two other keys (for instance: page up and page down, or F8 and F9), and have them move the slider on the "frame rate". View it as to "facilitate testing". Leave it in the product.

06-12-2010, 04:48 PM	#14
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	Hololo image - Yes, that's one of many gaps in the unbelieveably complicated Clam object. The point of zero-return has been reached on plugging every gap from every camera angle. Fixing one causes another from a different angle. If I start tearing into that again, there goes the rest of the year. Gray out "Remove" - No. It would mean more of the dreaded text work. Right now, the code just says, "If the list is empty, put in the default title." Graying it out would mean code that says,"If there is only one item on the list, compare the ASCII pattern with the one we are currentlly using for the default music. If they are the same, then gray out the "Remove" button. If another item is added, activate the "Remove" button again...yada yada..." Messy and unnesessary. Center slider bar - I moved the right side very slightly. It's perfect on my machine, but Windows has ultimate control over that. Frame Rate adjustment - I don't want a keyboard way of doing this. To much chance for ugliness caused by little fingers (or paws). Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

06-12-2010, 05:06 PM	#15
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	v11m is now up: http://www.fish-byte.com/MA3Beta.zip Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium