MA3.1 Installer Test

Dale · 06-04-2010, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

That's all Installer stuff, which is a total mystery to me.

I believe that it would be wise for this group to test (and perhaps contribute to improving) the installer version of 3.1, before it is released.

However, that will require active participation by someone who knows about the installer, and is interested in making it as good as practical.

feldon34 · 06-04-2010, 10:12 AM

The same installer package is used for Marine Aquarium, Goldfish, and Sharks, for about 5 years now. The only differences between them are content and file placement.

If you have suggestions, go for it.

Dale · 06-04-2010, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by feldon34:

The same installer package is used for Marine Aquarium, Goldfish, and Sharks, for about 5 years now. The only differences between them are content and file placement.

If you have suggestions, go for it.

If I read between the lines, you're saying that nothing will change. Therefore, comments would be futile.

If that's not correct, then are you able (as tech support) to either speak for Prolific, or act as a 2-way communications channel?

Briefly stating some issues:

A. We don't know what files are being placed (e.g., CanonGuitar.sgt)?

B. Uninstall stuff (integral part of install stuff) is arguably inadequate.

C. We don't know how/if the readme.txt will be handled.

D. We don't know how "Install 3.1 when 3.0 is already installed" will be handled.

Of course, if we don't have an installer version to test, it's really hard to know what to suggest, and impossible to support any suggestions.

Nicki · 06-04-2010, 12:51 PM

With the uninstall, there really ought to be an option to remove everything or to leave playlists, serial numbers etc intact. Last time we talked about this, I stated my opinion that an uninstaller should remove every single trace of its program, but of course most of them don't. I don't remember that we came to a clear decision on this.

Dale · 06-04-2010, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by Nicki:

With the uninstall, there really ought to be an option to remove everything or to leave playlists, serial numbers etc intact. Last time we talked about this, I stated my opinion that an uninstaller should remove every single trace of its program, but of course most of them don't. I don't remember that we came to a clear decision on this.

I believe there was a consensus - and nothing happened.

The uninstaller that "installs" with 3.0 (10d) removes almost nothing. If you run the uninstaller, and then download the 11i .scr file and click on it, it works fine, including all settings, etc. And if you happen to have the 10d .scr file around, and click on that, it also works fine - no need to enter your registration code.

feldon34 · 06-04-2010, 01:36 PM

The current uninstaller does not run a registry script wiping the Aquarium.

This is trivially easy for them to add, it's just a question of will they?

Dale · 06-04-2010, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by feldon34:

The current uninstaller does not run a registry script wiping the Aquarium.

Nor does it delete the "appdata" MA3 folder and contents.

As Nicki said, the "everything" should be optional for the user.

Originally posted by feldon34:

This is trivially easy for them to add, it's just a question of will they?

Originally posted by Dale:

However, that will require active participation by someone who knows about the installer, and is interested in making it as good as practical.

If nobody knows about it, or "they" don't care, then it's a total waste of our time to have this discussion, of course.

Dale · 06-15-2010, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by feldon34:

If you have suggestions, go for it.

Is there a significant probability that suggestions in this area will have any effect at all?

06-04-2010, 08:42 AM	#1
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	MA3.1 Installer Test Originally posted by Jim Sachs: That's all Installer stuff, which is a total mystery to me. I believe that it would be wise for this group to test (and perhaps contribute to improving) the installer version of 3.1, before it is released. However, that will require active participation by someone who knows about the installer, and is interested in making it as good as practical.

06-04-2010, 10:12 AM	#2
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	The same installer package is used for Marine Aquarium, Goldfish, and Sharks, for about 5 years now. The only differences between them are content and file placement. If you have suggestions, go for it. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-04-2010, 12:51 PM	#4
Nicki Sugar Plum Fairy Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,267	With the uninstall, there really ought to be an option to remove everything or to leave playlists, serial numbers etc intact. Last time we talked about this, I stated my opinion that an uninstaller should remove every single trace of its program, but of course most of them don't. I don't remember that we came to a clear decision on this. Run you clever boy. And remember...

06-04-2010, 01:36 PM	#6
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	The current uninstaller does not run a registry script wiping the Aquarium. This is trivially easy for them to add, it's just a question of will they? "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-04-2010, 10:32 AM	#3
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by feldon34: The same installer package is used for Marine Aquarium, Goldfish, and Sharks, for about 5 years now. The only differences between them are content and file placement. If you have suggestions, go for it. If I read between the lines, you're saying that nothing will change. Therefore, comments would be futile. If that's not correct, then are you able (as tech support) to either speak for Prolific, or act as a 2-way communications channel? Briefly stating some issues: A. We don't know what files are being placed (e.g., CanonGuitar.sgt)? B. Uninstall stuff (integral part of install stuff) is arguably inadequate. C. We don't know how/if the readme.txt will be handled. D. We don't know how "Install 3.1 when 3.0 is already installed" will be handled. Of course, if we don't have an installer version to test, it's really hard to know what to suggest, and impossible to support any suggestions.

06-04-2010, 01:23 PM	#5
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by Nicki: With the uninstall, there really ought to be an option to remove everything or to leave playlists, serial numbers etc intact. Last time we talked about this, I stated my opinion that an uninstaller should remove every single trace of its program, but of course most of them don't. I don't remember that we came to a clear decision on this. I believe there was a consensus - and nothing happened. The uninstaller that "installs" with 3.0 (10d) removes almost nothing. If you run the uninstaller, and then download the 11i .scr file and click on it, it works fine, including all settings, etc. And if you happen to have the 10d .scr file around, and click on that, it also works fine - no need to enter your registration code.

06-04-2010, 02:14 PM	#7
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by feldon34: The current uninstaller does not run a registry script wiping the Aquarium. Nor does it delete the "appdata" MA3 folder and contents. As Nicki said, the "everything" should be optional for the user. Originally posted by feldon34: This is trivially easy for them to add, it's just a question of will they? Originally posted by Dale: However, that will require active participation by someone who knows about the installer, and is interested in making it as good as practical. If nobody knows about it, or "they" don't care, then it's a total waste of our time to have this discussion, of course.

06-15-2010, 08:21 AM	#8
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by feldon34: If you have suggestions, go for it. Is there a significant probability that suggestions in this area will have any effect at all?