Starfish on Glass

Paphitis · 07-30-2002, 07:50 PM

In the twenty or so days that I have had the Marine Aquarium running as a screensaver or as an app I have seen the starfish on the glass only ONCE despite having that option checked in the preferences. It was great to see the underside with all it's quivering tentacles. Is it possible to get it to do this more often, or is configured to perform this trick only every two weeks

Socrates · 07-30-2002, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by Paphitis
In the twenty or so days that I have had the Marine Aquarium running as a screensaver or as an app I have seen the starfish on the glass only ONCE despite having that option checked in the preferences. It was great to see the underside with all it's quivering tentacles. Is it possible to get it to do this more often, or is configured to perform this trick only every two weeks

It is only possible for it to go on or off the glass when the backlights are up and the front lights are down.

So get it up there, then set your foreground lights to stay on.

It is also supposed to remember where it last was when you stop and restart.

If any of that isn't true in the Mac Beta, then either they redesigned the function or there is some minor bug. Also on Windows, you cn edit the Registry to determine th position, I don't know what the Mac equivalent is.

James · 07-31-2002, 04:57 AM

well....why not try out Mountainmaster's fish picker programe? it includes 10 starfish on glass positions to choose from...and u get the instant result..
Thread about this great Tweaker:https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...=&postid=16817
Download link:http://home.wanadoo.nl/sfinx98/progs/picker.zip

feldon34 · 07-31-2002, 09:18 AM

Mountainmaster's program doesn't work real well on Macintoshes.

James · 07-31-2002, 03:16 PM

oops sorry, I didn't notice its a Macintoshes version here talking about.....man...so embarrassed

mrtew · 08-03-2002, 11:50 PM

I wish there was a checkbox to KEEP the starfish on the glass. Either that or have it remember where it was last. I spend five minutes getting him up there and the second the screensaver goes away and comes back he has fallen off. It kinda bugs me seeing him sitting there on the sand in the same place all the time.

feldon34 · 08-04-2002, 03:07 AM

Not sure why your starfish isn't remembering position. It does on mine.

Jim Sachs · 08-04-2002, 10:28 AM

Does the starfish forget its position in the Mac version?

Paphitis · 08-04-2002, 10:54 AM

Since I started this thread, I guess it is appropriate for me to reply to Jim Sachs inquiry. This, of course, may only apply to the Mac version. It seems the starfish doesn't climb on the glass unless the screensaver has been running continuously quite a while, usually more than ten minutes. It will stay on the glass through several light cycles if the screensaver is undisturbed, but if I access the computer for even a second and then return to the screensaver mode, the starfish is back on the sand. When I first made the complaint, I suspect I wasn't patient enough to wait for starfish to do his glass climb. I was just wondering if there were way to induce him to do it more often, or, optionally, to always leave him on the glass.

ValleyGuy · 08-04-2002, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs
Does the starfish forget its position in the Mac version?

Yes, it forgets its position on the mac version. Maybe an alternative to remembering position (or in addition to that) might be a sub-preference under the current "Starfish allowed on glass" such as "Start starfish on glass" which would pick a random starting position.

feldon34 · 08-04-2002, 01:38 PM

The Windoze version remembers the Starfish's position between sessions.

JimO'Connor · 08-04-2002, 05:20 PM

The Mac version doesn't save the starfish position. This was an oversight which wasn't noticed soon enough to get in the release. I'm sure we'll get to it eventually. Right now we're kind of busy on OS 9.

08-05-2002, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by JimO'Connor
I'm sure we'll get to it eventually. Right now we're kind of busy on OS 9.

You didn't get the message? OS 9 is dead!

We don't forsee any issues with OS 10.2 do we?

JimO'Connor · 08-05-2002, 02:59 AM

We've done a little bit of testing on Jaguar without any incident. I don't think there will be any problems. I run it on the Jaguar equipped 17" iMac at the Apple store when I go there.

feldon34 · 08-05-2002, 09:45 AM

You didn't get the message? OS 9 is dead!

I've gotten a couple of e-mails from people running OS 8.6 begging for a version of the Aquarium.

Michael Babin · 08-05-2002, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered

You didn't get the message? OS 9 is dead!

Yes, we got the message. Then we considered the source...

08-14-2002, 11:10 AM

Yeah, Steve Jobs asked all developers to stop developing for OS9. He wants to get everyone running OSX so the Mac community won't get as fractured as the Windows folks. Sadly I don't think everyone will move to OSX anytime soon as he keeps charging $130 for upgrades, but still, don't let the OS9 version distract you from keeping that little starfish in his place! :-]

feldon34 · 08-14-2002, 02:12 PM

It would help if Quark Xpress and Strata3D ran with some stability on OS X, never mind being carbonized.

BlueWinterWaves · 08-14-2002, 07:20 PM

I keep reading about stuff being "carbonized for OS X." I'm getting the vague idea that it means being ported or recompiled or rewritten or *something* in order to be an OS X native program. But why the term "carbonized"? What does it mean in this context exactly?

feldon34 · 08-14-2002, 08:13 PM

In order for a program to run in the protected memory space of Mac OS X, and in order to display and use all the user interface functionality, support for Mac OS X printing, etc. etc. etc. developers must rewrite 8-12% of their software in a process called "carbonizing" (yes, like Hans Solo!).

Photoshop 7, Premiere 6.5, Adobe InDesign 2, Microsoft Office X, Illustrator 10, etc. are all examples of carbonized applications which run as smoothly on Mac OS X as they do on Windows 2000 (aka near-perfect).

Quark Xpress and Strata3D are examples of programs (each costs $600-1000) which the developers have not yet carbonized. As a result, they run in a compatibility mode on Mac OS X which is not particularly stable. They actually run worse than they do on a clean-booted Mac OS 9.

07-30-2002, 07:50 PM	#1
Paphitis Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 7	Starfish on Glass In the twenty or so days that I have had the Marine Aquarium running as a screensaver or as an app I have seen the starfish on the glass only ONCE despite having that option checked in the preferences. It was great to see the underside with all it's quivering tentacles. Is it possible to get it to do this more often, or is configured to perform this trick only every two weeks

07-30-2002, 08:41 PM	#2
Socrates Sage Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 1,529	Re: Starfish on Glass Originally posted by Paphitis In the twenty or so days that I have had the Marine Aquarium running as a screensaver or as an app I have seen the starfish on the glass only ONCE despite having that option checked in the preferences. It was great to see the underside with all it's quivering tentacles. Is it possible to get it to do this more often, or is configured to perform this trick only every two weeks It is only possible for it to go on or off the glass when the backlights are up and the front lights are down. So get it up there, then set your foreground lights to stay on. It is also supposed to remember where it last was when you stop and restart. If any of that isn't true in the Mac Beta, then either they redesigned the function or there is some minor bug. Also on Windows, you cn edit the Registry to determine th position, I don't know what the Mac equivalent is. Bat rays? We don't need no stinking bat rays!

07-31-2002, 04:57 AM	#3
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	well....why not try out Mountainmaster's fish picker programe? it includes 10 starfish on glass positions to choose from...and u get the instant result.. Thread about this great Tweaker:https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...=&postid=16817 Download link:http://home.wanadoo.nl/sfinx98/progs/picker.zip James C Chen Principal Engineer as SDET, Connected Services HTC Corporation 88 Section 3. Zhongxing Road Xindian District, New Taipei City 231, Taiwan www.htc.com

07-31-2002, 09:18 AM	#4
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Mountainmaster's program doesn't work real well on Macintoshes. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

07-31-2002, 03:16 PM	#5
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	oops sorry, I didn't notice its a Macintoshes version here talking about.....man...so embarrassed James C Chen Principal Engineer as SDET, Connected Services HTC Corporation 88 Section 3. Zhongxing Road Xindian District, New Taipei City 231, Taiwan www.htc.com

08-03-2002, 11:50 PM	#6
mrtew Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: michigan Posts: 109	I wish there was a checkbox to KEEP the starfish on the glass. Either that or have it remember where it was last. I spend five minutes getting him up there and the second the screensaver goes away and comes back he has fallen off. It kinda bugs me seeing him sitting there on the sand in the same place all the time. mrtew

08-04-2002, 03:07 AM	#7
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Not sure why your starfish isn't remembering position. It does on mine. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

08-04-2002, 10:28 AM	#8
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	Does the starfish forget its position in the Mac version? Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

08-04-2002, 10:54 AM	#9
Paphitis Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 7	Reply to Jim Sachs Since I started this thread, I guess it is appropriate for me to reply to Jim Sachs inquiry. This, of course, may only apply to the Mac version. It seems the starfish doesn't climb on the glass unless the screensaver has been running continuously quite a while, usually more than ten minutes. It will stay on the glass through several light cycles if the screensaver is undisturbed, but if I access the computer for even a second and then return to the screensaver mode, the starfish is back on the sand. When I first made the complaint, I suspect I wasn't patient enough to wait for starfish to do his glass climb. I was just wondering if there were way to induce him to do it more often, or, optionally, to always leave him on the glass.

08-04-2002, 11:27 AM	#10
ValleyGuy Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Studio City, CA Posts: 4	Originally posted by Jim Sachs Does the starfish forget its position in the Mac version? Yes, it forgets its position on the mac version. Maybe an alternative to remembering position (or in addition to that) might be a sub-preference under the current "Starfish allowed on glass" such as "Start starfish on glass" which would pick a random starting position.

08-04-2002, 01:38 PM	#11
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	The Windoze version remembers the Starfish's position between sessions. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

08-04-2002, 05:20 PM	#12
JimO'Connor Mac Development Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kenai, Alaska Posts: 678	The Mac version doesn't save the starfish position. This was an oversight which wasn't noticed soon enough to get in the release. I'm sure we'll get to it eventually. Right now we're kind of busy on OS 9. Jim O'Connor Order N Development

08-05-2002, 02:10 AM	#13
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	Originally posted by JimO'Connor I'm sure we'll get to it eventually. Right now we're kind of busy on OS 9. You didn't get the message? OS 9 is dead! We don't forsee any issues with OS 10.2 do we?

08-05-2002, 02:59 AM	#14
JimO'Connor Mac Development Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kenai, Alaska Posts: 678	We've done a little bit of testing on Jaguar without any incident. I don't think there will be any problems. I run it on the Jaguar equipped 17" iMac at the Apple store when I go there. Jim O'Connor Order N Development

08-05-2002, 09:45 AM	#15
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	You didn't get the message? OS 9 is dead! I've gotten a couple of e-mails from people running OS 8.6 begging for a version of the Aquarium. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

08-05-2002, 10:54 AM	#16
Michael Babin Mac Development Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rowlett, Texas Posts: 199	Originally posted by Unregistered You didn't get the message? OS 9 is dead! Yes, we got the message. Then we considered the source...

08-14-2002, 11:10 AM	#17
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah, Steve Jobs asked all developers to stop developing for OS9. He wants to get everyone running OSX so the Mac community won't get as fractured as the Windows folks. Sadly I don't think everyone will move to OSX anytime soon as he keeps charging $130 for upgrades, but still, don't let the OS9 version distract you from keeping that little starfish in his place! :-]

08-14-2002, 02:12 PM	#18
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	It would help if Quark Xpress and Strata3D ran with some stability on OS X, never mind being carbonized. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

08-14-2002, 07:20 PM	#19
BlueWinterWaves Registered Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 139	I keep reading about stuff being "carbonized for OS X." I'm getting the vague idea that it means being ported or recompiled or rewritten or something in order to be an OS X native program. But why the term "carbonized"? What does it mean in this context exactly?

08-14-2002, 08:13 PM	#20
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	In order for a program to run in the protected memory space of Mac OS X, and in order to display and use all the user interface functionality, support for Mac OS X printing, etc. etc. etc. developers must rewrite 8-12% of their software in a process called "carbonizing" (yes, like Hans Solo!). Photoshop 7, Premiere 6.5, Adobe InDesign 2, Microsoft Office X, Illustrator 10, etc. are all examples of carbonized applications which run as smoothly on Mac OS X as they do on Windows 2000 (aka near-perfect). Quark Xpress and Strata3D are examples of programs (each costs $600-1000) which the developers have not yet carbonized. As a result, they run in a compatibility mode on Mac OS X which is not particularly stable. They actually run worse than they do on a clean-booted Mac OS 9. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman