will it be some kind of fish limit??

sanjuro · 08-25-2004, 05:21 PM

IS freshwater screen will have some kind of fish limit like marine one???

cause if its like that they will be some kind of boring to see
fish like tetra neon, cardinal...... swimming alone

Or it will be differrent???

feldon34 · 08-25-2004, 06:06 PM

I am sure there will be a limit. Of course having a dozen cardinal tetras (more appealing than neons) moving in a school would be awesome, but the big Angelfishes with all those flowing fins are too big to have more than 5. Maybe each fish will be 'awarded' a certain number of 'size' points and the Aquarium can accomodate up to X number of points. Like an Angelfish is 3 points where a Cardinal Tetra is 1 point and you can have up to 15 points.

sanjuro · 08-26-2004, 06:15 PM

it would be cool

Vish · 08-26-2004, 06:46 PM

To be honest, I want to forget about this now as I know its not coming any soon...

I ask myself why do I even come to the forum at times...The 3D background is not coming any soon, the critter pack is not coming any soon the fresh water is not coming any soon....but then once a while its ok I guess...

Ralph · 08-26-2004, 08:58 PM

We all live in hope. Alas, sometimes the best of intentions are not enough.
The SS was a masterpiece for its time. To chase after the impossible with the 3D background was in my opinion folly.
I am sure most of us would have been more than happy with the original plan of creature packs and small schooling fish. A fresh water version......
Surely the existing corel background could be tweaked without having to go to this mysterious (read impossible) 3D.

sanjuro · 08-27-2004, 12:51 PM

so long...........the finishing
I guest it will be a new masterpiece when the freshwater
will release

feldon34 · 08-27-2004, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Vish
To be honest, I want to forget about this now as I know its not coming any soon...

I ask myself why do I even come to the forum at times...

It is my job as site administrator to find a focus for the forum to keep people interested and to keep coming back. That is why I intend to add a Photography section as well as a Hardware/Software section. If you have ideas about how the forum can be improved, please let me know.

feldon34 · 08-27-2004, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Ralph
Surely the existing corel background could be tweaked without having to go to this mysterious (read impossible) 3D.

The 3D background is hardly impossible. In April of 2003, I saw the early stage of the Freshwater Aquarium's 3D background. It had gravel with perspective, it had the incredible treasure chest which opened and closed with perfect realism. Each set of bubbles that came out were different sizes and never looked exactly the same. They 'wiggled' as bubbles do when they are trying to make their way through the water.

Jim then fired up Lightwave and showed me the rocks he had created for the Freshwater Aquarium. They looked INCREDIBLE. The same basic appearance as the ones in Goldfish, but they looked like you could reach in and grab them. And they worked perfectly in the 3D background. The camera panned left-to-right and the rocks changed in perspective correctly.

True, the anemone will be much more difficult, but there is precedent to believe that the 3D background is certainly possible.

From what Jim has been telling us, the current hangup is that his method of using separate body parts (side fins, bottom fins, eyeballs, and main body) will not work for a fish like the Angelfish, so he needs to make a unified body. But the animation and import/export of the models is the "impossible" part here.

sanjuro · 08-30-2004, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by feldon28 If you have ideas about how the forum can be improved, please let me know .

improved?? you mean makes people come back??
try a litle contest is work on some forum

Marian Nichols · 08-30-2004, 06:11 PM

Contest? Tried that. I won. Everybody left.
I was told I couldn’t play anymore.

Yodelking · 08-31-2004, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by Vish
I ask myself why do I even come to the forum at times...The 3D background is not coming any soon, the critter pack is not coming any soon the fresh water is not coming any soon....but then once a while its ok I guess...

You all probably already have forgotten that Jim released an update with 5 new fish quite recently. All mails of "WHEEEN" surely isn't speeding up the process. Jim won't release anything, until he's satisfied with it.

Quick Death · 08-31-2004, 04:11 PM

Morgan --

Jim, who never gives out dates even said that despite your preview (over a year ago), we are quite a ways from a release date. I would suspect atleast another year. Jim???

Jim Sachs · 08-31-2004, 06:06 PM

At least. Unless the money runs out. Then maybe sooner. Wouldn't be as good, though.

o7mike · 09-21-2004, 02:03 AM

Take your time Jim, I'm looking forward to it.

08-25-2004, 05:21 PM	#1
sanjuro Registered Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: canada Posts: 12	will it be some kind of fish limit?? IS freshwater screen will have some kind of fish limit like marine one??? cause if its like that they will be some kind of boring to see fish like tetra neon, cardinal...... swimming alone Or it will be differrent???

08-25-2004, 06:06 PM	#2
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	I am sure there will be a limit. Of course having a dozen cardinal tetras (more appealing than neons) moving in a school would be awesome, but the big Angelfishes with all those flowing fins are too big to have more than 5. Maybe each fish will be 'awarded' a certain number of 'size' points and the Aquarium can accomodate up to X number of points. Like an Angelfish is 3 points where a Cardinal Tetra is 1 point and you can have up to 15 points. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

08-26-2004, 06:15 PM	#3
sanjuro Registered Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: canada Posts: 12	it would be cool sanjuro "...i am the one who is quiet but see everything" http://www.geocities.com/sanjuro_way

08-26-2004, 06:46 PM	#4
Vish Registered Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: California Posts: 103	wel !!! To be honest, I want to forget about this now as I know its not coming any soon... I ask myself why do I even come to the forum at times...The 3D background is not coming any soon, the critter pack is not coming any soon the fresh water is not coming any soon....but then once a while its ok I guess... --Vish

08-26-2004, 08:58 PM	#5
Ralph Retired Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Edmonton Alberta Ca Posts: 2,441	We all live in hope. Alas, sometimes the best of intentions are not enough. The SS was a masterpiece for its time. To chase after the impossible with the 3D background was in my opinion folly. I am sure most of us would have been more than happy with the original plan of creature packs and small schooling fish. A fresh water version...... Surely the existing corel background could be tweaked without having to go to this mysterious (read impossible) 3D. Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889 – 1951) The limits of my language are the limits of my mind. All I know is what I have words for.

08-27-2004, 12:51 PM	#6
sanjuro Registered Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: canada Posts: 12	so long...........the finishing I guest it will be a new masterpiece when the freshwater will release sanjuro "...i am the one who is quiet but see everything" http://www.geocities.com/sanjuro_way

08-27-2004, 01:57 PM	#7
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Re: wel !!! Originally posted by Vish To be honest, I want to forget about this now as I know its not coming any soon... I ask myself why do I even come to the forum at times... It is my job as site administrator to find a focus for the forum to keep people interested and to keep coming back. That is why I intend to add a Photography section as well as a Hardware/Software section. If you have ideas about how the forum can be improved, please let me know. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

08-27-2004, 02:07 PM	#8
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Originally posted by Ralph Surely the existing corel background could be tweaked without having to go to this mysterious (read impossible) 3D. The 3D background is hardly impossible. In April of 2003, I saw the early stage of the Freshwater Aquarium's 3D background. It had gravel with perspective, it had the incredible treasure chest which opened and closed with perfect realism. Each set of bubbles that came out were different sizes and never looked exactly the same. They 'wiggled' as bubbles do when they are trying to make their way through the water. Jim then fired up Lightwave and showed me the rocks he had created for the Freshwater Aquarium. They looked INCREDIBLE. The same basic appearance as the ones in Goldfish, but they looked like you could reach in and grab them. And they worked perfectly in the 3D background. The camera panned left-to-right and the rocks changed in perspective correctly. True, the anemone will be much more difficult, but there is precedent to believe that the 3D background is certainly possible. From what Jim has been telling us, the current hangup is that his method of using separate body parts (side fins, bottom fins, eyeballs, and main body) will not work for a fish like the Angelfish, so he needs to make a unified body. But the animation and import/export of the models is the "impossible" part here. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

08-30-2004, 03:59 PM	#9
sanjuro Registered Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: canada Posts: 12	Originally posted by feldon28 If you have ideas about how the forum can be improved, please let me know . improved?? you mean makes people come back?? try a litle contest is work on some forum sanjuro "...i am the one who is quiet but see everything" http://www.geocities.com/sanjuro_way

08-30-2004, 06:11 PM	#10
Marian Nichols ~Author~ Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rocky Mount, NC Posts: 7,429	Contest? Tried that. I won. Everybody left. I was told I couldn’t play anymore. Write paranormal mysteries. Six books so far. Last edited by Marian Nichols; 08-31-2004 at 10:42 AM.

08-31-2004, 07:51 AM	#11
Yodelking yodeler Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Staffanstorp, Sweden Posts: 294	Re: wel !!! Originally posted by Vish I ask myself why do I even come to the forum at times...The 3D background is not coming any soon, the critter pack is not coming any soon the fresh water is not coming any soon....but then once a while its ok I guess... You all probably already have forgotten that Jim released an update with 5 new fish quite recently. All mails of "WHEEEN" surely isn't speeding up the process. Jim won't release anything, until he's satisfied with it. Yodelking - För god att kolsyra!

08-31-2004, 04:11 PM	#12
Quick Death Registered Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New York Posts: 106	Morgan -- Jim, who never gives out dates even said that despite your preview (over a year ago), we are quite a ways from a release date. I would suspect atleast another year. Jim???

08-31-2004, 06:06 PM	#13
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,789	At least. Unless the money runs out. Then maybe sooner. Wouldn't be as good, though. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

09-21-2004, 02:03 AM	#14
o7mike Registered Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2	Take your time Jim, I'm looking forward to it. "All I need is One Mike.."