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ESHIREY · 09-17-2004, 04:45 PM

This is true. I tell everyone that see's these programs that they are always making changes for the better.

johnblommers · 09-17-2004, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by JimO'Connor
I think I have a workable optimization idea for the debris to cut its computational cost by about 70%. Goldfish shipped, but that doesn't mean we're done with it. Same for MA and MAT, by the way.

Cool

While you're at it, can you take half the debris particles and let one thread of excution handle them, while a second thread handles the remaining particles? Maybe the left and right sides of the tank is possibly the way to group them.

This implementation would take better advantage of my dual CPUs and I like that

Almost as much as my daily glass of beer

johnblommers · 09-17-2004, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by feldon28
And you've proceeded to clutter this work of art with, well, clutter. Poor Eric...

OK, but why are the fish munching at my hard drive. Do they know that the file system catalog file has a bad key length? The little stinkers!

But no worries, tonight I backup the hard drive using Firewire Target Mode and my QuickSilver with its shiny new 200MB ATA/133 Maxtor hard drive. Then I will boot up the G5 using my brand new Alsoft Disk Warrior CDROM and FIX that bad key!

Maybe then the fish will find someting else to amuse themselves. To try to keep this post somewhat on topic, can anybody give us a bit of info on just how these fish are made to move as they do?

Jav400 · 09-18-2004, 06:08 AM

Jim,

I would be glad to look at the wireframe mode if I could.

JimO'Connor · 09-18-2004, 08:59 AM

Maybe we could get the "Beta" removed from the forum name now? If you're asking me to post a screen shot of wireframe, that is certainly do-able.

johnblommers · 09-18-2004, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by JimO'Connor
Maybe we could get the "Beta" removed from the forum name now? If you're asking me to post a screen shot of wireframe, that is certainly do-able.

Agreed

Goldfish Aquarium for Macintosh has graduated to release status and gone gold, so it's time formalize that in the forum's name.

Jav400 · 09-20-2004, 07:26 PM

Sorry for the delay, I've been very busy the last few days. "Beta" has now been removed from the title.

So where is my wireframe shot?

AKcrab · 09-23-2004, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by Jav400
So where is my wireframe shot?

Want more? Bigger?

Tiny Turtle · 09-23-2004, 01:55 AM

Don't forget "faster" and "better"...

AKcrab · 09-23-2004, 03:27 AM

Originally posted by Tiny Turtle

More? Bigger? Faster? Better? Snappier?

Tiny Turtle · 09-23-2004, 04:11 AM

Of course

Jav400 · 09-23-2004, 05:49 AM

sheesh Tiny, you forgot an Oompa Loompa.

ESHIREY · 09-23-2004, 08:22 AM

hehehehehe

johnblommers · 09-23-2004, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Jav400
Jim,

I would be glad to look at the wireframe mode if I could.

Here is a nice big screen shot of the GA application in wireframe model. It's been heavily compressed to reduce its size so it can be uploaded. Enjoy fans!

Jav400 · 09-23-2004, 12:51 PM

I wouldn't mind the overall size being slightly smaller, I hate having to scroll to see anything, and I run at 1600x1200.

johnblommers · 09-23-2004, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Jav400
I wouldn't mind the overall size being slightly smaller, I hate having to scroll to see anything, and I run at 1600x1200.

Here is another screen grab of the GA wireframe at 1600x1024. I've needed way less compression for this one. Of course this screen grab was trivial to make compared to the previous post

Polcamilla · 10-11-2004, 11:55 PM

With all the screen-captures being posted, I have to ask.

My machine was set up with a screen-capture of MA (done in OS9 to avoid jaggies) as the wallpaper and Backlight running MA over it, so there were always fish, it was just a question of whether they were moving or not. Then, I switched to GA and discovered that I couldn't do a 'clean' screen capture in OSX and I couldn't run it at *all* in OS9. Is there a way to do a nice, clean screen capture so I can make a wallpaper still with the fish and prefs I like?

johnblommers · 10-12-2004, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by Polcamilla
With all the screen-captures being posted, I have to ask.

Then, I switched to GA and discovered that I couldn't do a 'clean' screen capture in OSX and I couldn't run it at *all* in OS9. Is there a way to do a nice, clean screen capture so I can make a wallpaper still with the fish and prefs I like?

Can you show us an example of what your unclean screen capture in OS X look like.

The screen shots that I have posted were all made with the incredible stupendous SnapxProX available from http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/ and while its not free it will run in trial mode for a while.

The other way to take a screen shot in Mac OS X that works with GA is to do a COMMAND SHIFT 4 and rubber band a selection from the GA application in your /Applications folder. Like this:

AKcrab · 10-12-2004, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by johnblommers
The other way to take a screen shot in Mac OS X that works with GA is to do a COMMAND SHIFT 4 and rubber band a selection from the GA application in your /Applications folder. Like this:

I go to full screen mode, and cmd-shift-3 to put a pdf on the desktop.

Interestingly, this works fine with the goldfish aquarium, but not with marine aquarium. MA ends up with big black bands running horizontally in the screenshot.

Also interesting, if you do a cmd-shift-4 then press spacebar to capture the window (the crosshairs turn into a camera) you get a messed up screenshot, too.

So i guess it's either A) Fullscreen cmd-shift-3 or B) what johnblommers said.

Polcamilla · 10-12-2004, 09:47 AM

Thanks!

I was doing CMD-Shift-4 and getting messed up images. Doing CMD-Shift-3 in full-screen mode works fine!

09-17-2004, 04:45 PM	#21
ESHIREY Smilie Dragon Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 4,725	This is true. I tell everyone that see's these programs that they are always making changes for the better. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

09-17-2004, 06:20 PM	#22
johnblommers The Architect Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 756	Threads of exectution Originally posted by JimO'Connor I think I have a workable optimization idea for the debris to cut its computational cost by about 70%. Goldfish shipped, but that doesn't mean we're done with it. Same for MA and MAT, by the way. Cool While you're at it, can you take half the debris particles and let one thread of excution handle them, while a second thread handles the remaining particles? Maybe the left and right sides of the tank is possibly the way to group them. This implementation would take better advantage of my dual CPUs and I like that Almost as much as my daily glass of beer Reasons people don't watch Star Trek: 60% - It’s for nerds. 39% - The show’s stupid. 01% - My parents were killed by Klingons and it's still too painful.

09-17-2004, 06:30 PM	#23
johnblommers The Architect Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 756	Explain the behavior Originally posted by feldon28 And you've proceeded to clutter this work of art with, well, clutter. Poor Eric... OK, but why are the fish munching at my hard drive. Do they know that the file system catalog file has a bad key length? The little stinkers! But no worries, tonight I backup the hard drive using Firewire Target Mode and my QuickSilver with its shiny new 200MB ATA/133 Maxtor hard drive. Then I will boot up the G5 using my brand new Alsoft Disk Warrior CDROM and FIX that bad key! Maybe then the fish will find someting else to amuse themselves. To try to keep this post somewhat on topic, can anybody give us a bit of info on just how these fish are made to move as they do? Reasons people don't watch Star Trek: 60% - It’s for nerds. 39% - The show’s stupid. 01% - My parents were killed by Klingons and it's still too painful.

09-18-2004, 06:08 AM	#24
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Jim, I would be glad to look at the wireframe mode if I could. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

09-18-2004, 08:59 AM	#25
JimO'Connor Mac Development Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kenai, Alaska Posts: 678	Maybe we could get the "Beta" removed from the forum name now? If you're asking me to post a screen shot of wireframe, that is certainly do-able. Jim O'Connor Order N Development

09-18-2004, 12:37 PM	#26
johnblommers The Architect Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 756	Graduation to 1.0 Originally posted by JimO'Connor Maybe we could get the "Beta" removed from the forum name now? If you're asking me to post a screen shot of wireframe, that is certainly do-able. Agreed Goldfish Aquarium for Macintosh has graduated to release status and gone gold, so it's time formalize that in the forum's name. Reasons people don't watch Star Trek: 60% - It’s for nerds. 39% - The show’s stupid. 01% - My parents were killed by Klingons and it's still too painful.

09-20-2004, 07:26 PM	#27
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Sorry for the delay, I've been very busy the last few days. "Beta" has now been removed from the title. So where is my wireframe shot? Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

09-23-2004, 12:48 AM	#28
AKcrab Registered Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 233	Originally posted by Jav400 So where is my wireframe shot? Want more? Bigger?

09-23-2004, 01:55 AM	#29
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Don't forget "faster" and "better"... Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

09-23-2004, 03:27 AM	#30
AKcrab Registered Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 233	Originally posted by Tiny Turtle More? Bigger? Faster? Better? Snappier?

09-23-2004, 04:11 AM	#31
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Of course Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

09-23-2004, 05:49 AM	#32
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	sheesh Tiny, you forgot an Oompa Loompa. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

09-23-2004, 08:22 AM	#33
ESHIREY Smilie Dragon Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 4,725	hehehehehe Thank you for taking the time to read this.

09-23-2004, 12:51 PM	#35
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	I wouldn't mind the overall size being slightly smaller, I hate having to scroll to see anything, and I run at 1600x1200. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

10-11-2004, 11:55 PM	#37
Polcamilla Registered Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 31	With all the screen-captures being posted, I have to ask. My machine was set up with a screen-capture of MA (done in OS9 to avoid jaggies) as the wallpaper and Backlight running MA over it, so there were always fish, it was just a question of whether they were moving or not. Then, I switched to GA and discovered that I couldn't do a 'clean' screen capture in OSX and I couldn't run it at all in OS9. Is there a way to do a nice, clean screen capture so I can make a wallpaper still with the fish and prefs I like?

10-12-2004, 01:03 AM	#39
AKcrab Registered Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 233	Re: How clean is clean? Originally posted by johnblommers The other way to take a screen shot in Mac OS X that works with GA is to do a COMMAND SHIFT 4 and rubber band a selection from the GA application in your /Applications folder. Like this: I go to full screen mode, and cmd-shift-3 to put a pdf on the desktop. Interestingly, this works fine with the goldfish aquarium, but not with marine aquarium. MA ends up with big black bands running horizontally in the screenshot. Also interesting, if you do a cmd-shift-4 then press spacebar to capture the window (the crosshairs turn into a camera) you get a messed up screenshot, too. So i guess it's either A) Fullscreen cmd-shift-3 or B) what johnblommers said.

10-12-2004, 09:47 AM	#40
Polcamilla Registered Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 31	Thanks! I was doing CMD-Shift-4 and getting messed up images. Doing CMD-Shift-3 in full-screen mode works fine!