Fixed Bug 3.0 MA3 closes down after 5 minutes. - Page 2

Jim Sachs · 04-02-2009, 11:50 AM

The SGT file type is just a simplified MIDI file. This is a total mystery to me. If it wasn't reading the file properly, then it wouldn't play the first time. I'll keep trying to duplicate it, but no luck so far.

Nicki · 04-02-2009, 12:23 PM

According to Google/Uniblue , sgt file extension is also used by the Hitman game , if that means anything ? And I thought it stood for Sachs guitar track

. However , in investigating this , I found out that if you start the aquarium , bring up the settings box ( right click OR spacebar ) , click music playlist , add , and then click OK on the music playlist box , not the open media file box , then click on OK to return to the program , it stays paused because the open media file box disappears under the aquarium and stays open waiting for a response . In windowed mode , you'll see it and realise to close it , but in fullscreen , you probably won't . Just thought it worth a mention .

(P.S. Cliff - yes ! I too have a hankering for a great big turnip in the country )

Dale · 04-02-2009, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by cjmaddy:

Dale, - I have been doing this for quite a little while now, and I know what is required of us!

Thanks.

Wizwad · 04-02-2009, 01:18 PM

"Baldrick, what would you do with a million pounds?"

"Buy a really big turnip, m'Lord!"

The height of ambition!

Jav400 · 04-02-2009, 01:33 PM

Cliff,

That particular one, L' Jonques de Pecheurs au Crepuscule, plays for 9:38 before repeating itself. So at least we know that something passed the 5:10 mark will play. Of course this was a mp3 instead of the other file type, but it's at least more info than we had.

cjmaddy · 04-02-2009, 02:12 PM

I'm currently trying to see if I can convert that .sgt file into a different file type. - So far without success...

- Any ideas?

Wizwad · 04-02-2009, 02:43 PM

What happens if you just rename it as a .mid? Or does it then just not play at all?

Nicki · 04-02-2009, 02:44 PM

Cliff , you can use the record feature of Jet Audio ( freeware , if you don't have it already ) . You just have to set up the recording levels , where to save it , which format etc , click the start button , start the aquarium , let the music play , then hit stop and it will be saved nicely on your hard drive . The record button is just under the Jet Audio logo near the top of the player . As a WMA9 it comes out to 4.83MB . I'd PM you the copy I just made , but there doesn't seem to be an attach here or on DA forum .

cjmaddy · 04-02-2009, 03:08 PM

Right, - Since my last post I've succeeded in producing a MP3 Audio file from the CanonGuitar.sgt file... Yes! - It works and repeats! - Without closing down MA3. - Then, whilst MA3 was still open, I ran the .sgt file again and the aquarium closed down after a single run-through.

So to me that's conclusive that my system can't repeat files with the suffix .sgt - Next thing is, WHY?

Edit,
Mark, - I did just rename it as a .mid, (which didn't play), but would then convert to a MP3 in a prog that I'd downloaded.

Nicki, - The prog I just used is, 'Switch Sound File Converter'. - It seems to have done a similar thing. (4,950 KB).

Jim Sachs · 04-02-2009, 03:15 PM

Where did you get the Canon.sgt file to convert?

cjmaddy · 04-02-2009, 03:19 PM

Sorry, Jim, - didn't see your post, - I've just put that info in the above edit.

Jim Sachs · 04-02-2009, 03:27 PM

What I'm trying to determine is how any of you are seeing a file called CanonGuitar.sgt. It's an internal file within MA3, and is only used when no other music or Playlist exist.

Ralph · 04-02-2009, 03:47 PM

This is just the file I was about to do a search for.. In trying to duplicate Cliff's problem I deleted ALL of my music.. BUT the CanonGuitar.sgt still plays (with music checked).. So.. I wondered if the file is in some other location.. seems not if it is an internal file within MA3

cjmaddy · 04-02-2009, 03:50 PM

CanonGuitar.sgt is with MA3Logolist.lst and MA3Playlist.lst in my :/Documents and Settings/My Name/Application Data/Marine Aquarium 3 folder.
I don't think I put it there, - but I have been doing a lot of moving files around!

ps, - Just found this..... https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...98&#post111698

pps, - Ralph, - just seen your name in the "Birthdays" .... Quite a youngster aren't you?

........ Happy Birthday!

Ralph · 04-02-2009, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by cjmaddy:

Ralph, - just seen your name in the "Birthdays" .... Quite a youngster aren't you?

........ Happy Birthday!

Thanks.. The big 64... came a lot sooner than I had hoped.. Would have gladly waited another 20 or so

But back to the missing CanonGuitar.sgt.. There is nothing in my C:\Documents and Settings\Ralph\Application Data\Marine Aquarium 3 folder except the altlogo.png; MA3.log MA3Logolist.lst (which has one reference inside); MA3Playlist.lst (which is empty) and openserenescreen.js (which does not seem to reference and playlists)

However... MA3 is quite able to find and play this piece.. even though it is absent and NOT listed in any place I can find

cjmaddy · 04-02-2009, 05:27 PM

Ralph,
If you do what Jim says in that above link I gave, you will find the CanonGuitar.sgt file.

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

It hadn't really occurred to me that someone would want it back after removing it. If you remove everything else or delete the Playlist, then it would be back, but you'd also lose the rest of the list.

The easiest way is probably to bring the MA3Playlist.lst file into a text editor (like Notepad), and add the line "CanonGuitar.sgt" (no path is necessary). The Playlist can be found in C:\Documents and Settings\[your name]\Application Data\Marine Aquarium 3....

Jim Sachs · 04-02-2009, 06:14 PM

I do seem to recall that in very early versions I was actually copying the file to the computer. Maybe those are still hanging around on some people's computers.

Everyone should just delete CanonGuitar.sgt if found.

Ralph · 04-02-2009, 06:28 PM

Thanks cliff.. Deleting the whole file as opposed to the contents was the trick.. But... I can not bring MA3 to its knees trying to duplicate what you do..sorry

Some inconsistencies though.. perhaps..... declaring "stop" in the music dialog box has no effect if CanonGuitar.sgt is listed and the play music check mark is checked in program settings. And... if there is no listing at all (all deleted) then CanonGuitar.sgt will still play.. if the play music check mark is checked to play. I would think that the list should have priority over the play music button.. possibly with a "if list empty then uncheck play music check box"

But fix the clams (and add more features..) first, please

Jim Sachs · 04-02-2009, 07:12 PM

Ralph - I'm not quite clear on what you're saying. Here's what's supposed to happen (and does on all my machines): Starting from a clean installation (Playlist has been deleted), bringing up the Music Playlist requester shows CanonGuitar.sgt as the only entry. Pressing Play allows me to preview it, and pressing Stop stops the preview. Neither of these buttons is supposed to have any effect on whether the piece plays during the program - that's what the Music checkbox and M key are for.

The default music is designed to play anytime no other music source is specified, but the user chooses to play music (by either checkmarking the box or pressing M). It initially shows up on the list, and can be shuffled in with other tracks, or deleted. But you can't kill it - anytime there is no other source, it will come back to life.

Dale · 04-02-2009, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

What I'm trying to determine is how any of you are seeing a file called CanonGuitar.sgt. It's an internal file within MA3, and is only used when no other music or Playlist exist.

In my XP system,
In C:\Documents and Settings\Myname\Application Data\Marine Aquarium 3
I have a file CanonGuitar.sgt

Note that I asked "cjmaddy" a related question [Does the playlist just say CanonGuitar.sgt - or does it (like mine does by default) show the entire path C:\Documents.........\etc.?

04-02-2009, 11:50 AM	#21
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	The SGT file type is just a simplified MIDI file. This is a total mystery to me. If it wasn't reading the file properly, then it wouldn't play the first time. I'll keep trying to duplicate it, but no luck so far. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

04-02-2009, 12:23 PM	#22
Nicki Sugar Plum Fairy Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,267	According to Google/Uniblue , sgt file extension is also used by the Hitman game , if that means anything ? And I thought it stood for Sachs guitar track . However , in investigating this , I found out that if you start the aquarium , bring up the settings box ( right click OR spacebar ) , click music playlist , add , and then click OK on the music playlist box , not the open media file box , then click on OK to return to the program , it stays paused because the open media file box disappears under the aquarium and stays open waiting for a response . In windowed mode , you'll see it and realise to close it , but in fullscreen , you probably won't . Just thought it worth a mention . (P.S. Cliff - yes ! I too have a hankering for a great big turnip in the country ) Run you clever boy. And remember...

04-02-2009, 01:18 PM	#24
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04-02-2009, 01:33 PM	#25
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Cliff, That particular one, L' Jonques de Pecheurs au Crepuscule, plays for 9:38 before repeating itself. So at least we know that something passed the 5:10 mark will play. Of course this was a mp3 instead of the other file type, but it's at least more info than we had. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

04-02-2009, 02:43 PM	#27
Wizwad Only me... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 2,584	What happens if you just rename it as a .mid? Or does it then just not play at all? Mark ----------- Intel i7 12700K \| Aorus Z690 Pro \| Corsair DDR5 5600 32GB \| Asus Dual RTX3060ti 6GB v2 Mini OC \| Corsair RM850 Gold PSU \| 1TB NVMe M.2 WD Black SN850 \| 4TB Seagate BarraCuda HDD \| Corsair Airflow 5000D Case \| HP 32QHD 4K Monitor \| Windows 11 x64 Professional

04-02-2009, 12:36 PM	#23
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by cjmaddy: Dale, - I have been doing this for quite a little while now, and I know what is required of us! Thanks.

04-02-2009, 02:12 PM	#26
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	I'm currently trying to see if I can convert that .sgt file into a different file type. - So far without success... - Any ideas?

04-02-2009, 02:44 PM	#28
Nicki Sugar Plum Fairy Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,267	Cliff , you can use the record feature of Jet Audio ( freeware , if you don't have it already ) . You just have to set up the recording levels , where to save it , which format etc , click the start button , start the aquarium , let the music play , then hit stop and it will be saved nicely on your hard drive . The record button is just under the Jet Audio logo near the top of the player . As a WMA9 it comes out to 4.83MB . I'd PM you the copy I just made , but there doesn't seem to be an attach here or on DA forum . Run you clever boy. And remember...

04-02-2009, 03:08 PM	#29
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Right, - Since my last post I've succeeded in producing a MP3 Audio file from the CanonGuitar.sgt file... Yes! - It works and repeats! - Without closing down MA3. - Then, whilst MA3 was still open, I ran the .sgt file again and the aquarium closed down after a single run-through. So to me that's conclusive that my system can't repeat files with the suffix .sgt - Next thing is, WHY? Edit, Mark, - I did just rename it as a .mid, (which didn't play), but would then convert to a MP3 in a prog that I'd downloaded. Nicki, - The prog I just used is, 'Switch Sound File Converter'. - It seems to have done a similar thing. (4,950 KB).

04-02-2009, 03:15 PM	#30
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	Where did you get the Canon.sgt file to convert? Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

04-02-2009, 03:19 PM	#31
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Sorry, Jim, - didn't see your post, - I've just put that info in the above edit.

04-02-2009, 03:27 PM	#32
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	What I'm trying to determine is how any of you are seeing a file called CanonGuitar.sgt. It's an internal file within MA3, and is only used when no other music or Playlist exist. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

04-02-2009, 03:47 PM	#33
Ralph Retired Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Edmonton Alberta Ca Posts: 2,443	This is just the file I was about to do a search for.. In trying to duplicate Cliff's problem I deleted ALL of my music.. BUT the CanonGuitar.sgt still plays (with music checked).. So.. I wondered if the file is in some other location.. seems not if it is an internal file within MA3

04-02-2009, 03:50 PM	#34
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	CanonGuitar.sgt is with MA3Logolist.lst and MA3Playlist.lst in my :/Documents and Settings/My Name/Application Data/Marine Aquarium 3 folder. I don't think I put it there, - but I have been doing a lot of moving files around! ps, - Just found this..... https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...98&#post111698 pps, - Ralph, - just seen your name in the "Birthdays" .... Quite a youngster aren't you? ........ Happy Birthday!

04-02-2009, 04:55 PM	#35
Ralph Retired Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Edmonton Alberta Ca Posts: 2,443	Originally posted by cjmaddy: Ralph, - just seen your name in the "Birthdays" .... Quite a youngster aren't you? ........ Happy Birthday! Thanks.. The big 64... came a lot sooner than I had hoped.. Would have gladly waited another 20 or so But back to the missing CanonGuitar.sgt.. There is nothing in my C:\Documents and Settings\Ralph\Application Data\Marine Aquarium 3 folder except the altlogo.png; MA3.log MA3Logolist.lst (which has one reference inside); MA3Playlist.lst (which is empty) and openserenescreen.js (which does not seem to reference and playlists) However... MA3 is quite able to find and play this piece.. even though it is absent and NOT listed in any place I can find

04-02-2009, 05:27 PM	#36
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Ralph, If you do what Jim says in that above link I gave, you will find the CanonGuitar.sgt file. Originally posted by Jim Sachs: It hadn't really occurred to me that someone would want it back after removing it. If you remove everything else or delete the Playlist, then it would be back, but you'd also lose the rest of the list. The easiest way is probably to bring the MA3Playlist.lst file into a text editor (like Notepad), and add the line "CanonGuitar.sgt" (no path is necessary). The Playlist can be found in C:\Documents and Settings\[your name]\Application Data\Marine Aquarium 3....

04-02-2009, 06:14 PM	#37
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	I do seem to recall that in very early versions I was actually copying the file to the computer. Maybe those are still hanging around on some people's computers. Everyone should just delete CanonGuitar.sgt if found. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

04-02-2009, 06:28 PM	#38
Ralph Retired Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Edmonton Alberta Ca Posts: 2,443	Thanks cliff.. Deleting the whole file as opposed to the contents was the trick.. But... I can not bring MA3 to its knees trying to duplicate what you do..sorry Some inconsistencies though.. perhaps..... declaring "stop" in the music dialog box has no effect if CanonGuitar.sgt is listed and the play music check mark is checked in program settings. And... if there is no listing at all (all deleted) then CanonGuitar.sgt will still play.. if the play music check mark is checked to play. I would think that the list should have priority over the play music button.. possibly with a "if list empty then uncheck play music check box" But fix the clams (and add more features..) first, please

04-02-2009, 07:12 PM	#39
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	Ralph - I'm not quite clear on what you're saying. Here's what's supposed to happen (and does on all my machines): Starting from a clean installation (Playlist has been deleted), bringing up the Music Playlist requester shows CanonGuitar.sgt as the only entry. Pressing Play allows me to preview it, and pressing Stop stops the preview. Neither of these buttons is supposed to have any effect on whether the piece plays during the program - that's what the Music checkbox and M key are for. The default music is designed to play anytime no other music source is specified, but the user chooses to play music (by either checkmarking the box or pressing M). It initially shows up on the list, and can be shuffled in with other tracks, or deleted. But you can't kill it - anytime there is no other source, it will come back to life. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

04-02-2009, 07:20 PM	#40
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: What I'm trying to determine is how any of you are seeing a file called CanonGuitar.sgt. It's an internal file within MA3, and is only used when no other music or Playlist exist. In my XP system, In C:\Documents and Settings\Myname\Application Data\Marine Aquarium 3 I have a file CanonGuitar.sgt Note that I asked "cjmaddy" a related question [Does the playlist just say CanonGuitar.sgt - or does it (like mine does by default) show the entire path C:\Documents.........\etc.?