Graphics issue Fish trails (Radeon Card) - Page 2

Hotkey · 05-21-2023, 12:50 PM

I have same issue with new Dell Win 11 laptop. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Laptop GPU. I hate to not be able to use this terrific screen saver!

Hotkey · 05-24-2023, 08:31 AM

Any updates on fix?

Ralph · 05-25-2023, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by Hotkey:

Any updates on fix?

Unlikely, with software as old as this... it's a credit to Jim's programming that it works at all on the latest versions of operating systems and computers

Hotkey · 05-25-2023, 10:08 AM

Sad....its a great product....

feldon34 · 05-29-2023, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Hotkey:

I have same issue with new Dell Win 11 laptop. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Laptop GPU. I hate to not be able to use this terrific screen saver!

Can you use another program like a Screen Saver randomizer to trigger the Aquarium?

aprilr41 · 06-18-2023, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by feldon34:

Can you use another program like a Screen Saver randomizer to trigger the Aquarium?

Hi, I'm here with the same problem, fish trails on the background, running Windows 10 with AMD Ryzen 7 5800X. I'm currently looking for a screen saver randomizer, but just out of curiosity I installed marine aquarium 2.6 +time, and it works perfectly. Downside is no pan, no cave with eel, not nearly as pretty or as many fish, but hey, it's way better than the nothing I had before.

feldon34 · 06-20-2023, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by aprilr41:

Hi, I'm here with the same problem, fish trails on the background, running Windows 10 with AMD Ryzen 7 5800X. I'm currently looking for a screen saver randomizer, but just out of curiosity I installed marine aquarium 2.6 +time, and it works perfectly. Downside is no pan, no cave with eel, not nearly as pretty or as many fish, but hey, it's way better than the nothing I had before.

~~Marine Aquarium 2.6 was based on a codebase Prolific wrote.~~

Marine Aquarium 3.0 was a complete rewrite by Jim. Awesome program but the way it initializes the graphics card in screensaver mode causes these background trails issue on certain cards with certain drivers.

I don't know the best screen saver randomizer program that isn't full of malware. If someone finds one please post it!

Jim Sachs · 06-23-2023, 11:50 AM

v2.6 was written entirely by me. I also wrote v3, but Prolific helped with a few of the Windows-interface calls (like the one in question).

Vinz Clortho · 06-27-2023, 11:44 AM

There *is* a kind of workaround for this, but it's not going to be for everyone.

You'll need to purchase the android version of MA3 and then run it on your PC in an android emulator. I find Nox Player is the easiest to use. The drawbacks are 1) You have to purchase MA3 for android if you don't own it already 2) You can't change the background colours 3) Running the aquarium as a screensaver is possible but not practical.

You could always run the aquarium on an Android box or sideload it on a firestick if you just want to see it on a screen that's not your PC monitor.

hclarkjr · 08-12-2023, 08:14 AM

jim, would you consider fixing these trails for us radeon users? i would be willing to give you a donation to do so. i am sure some others would be willing to help too.

Jim Sachs · 08-13-2023, 03:08 PM

It's in the Radeon drivers. I wouldn't have any idea how to fix it on my end.

F34R · 09-25-2023, 11:37 AM

Yeah, the trails don't show up in the wireframe mode. Also they only appear behind the scene layer, i.e. clock, shells, coral, etc. If you go from regular to wireframe, it disappears, but will continue after you leave wireframe mode.
This is on the Asus ROG Ally.

It works 100% on all my other systems since 2005 lol. Even my newest Lenovo laptop runs it perfectly.

Jim Sachs · 09-27-2023, 12:24 AM

The Radeon drivers are simply not refreshing the frame buffer. All my code can do is ask, it's up to them to grant the request.

F34R · 09-27-2023, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

The Radeon drivers are simply not refreshing the frame buffer. All my code can do is ask, it's up to them to grant the request.

Yeah I saw your other reply about that, after I had already posted the picture lol. I do appreciate it though.

Still love checking in here every now and again. Always having the hope of a new release. A kickstarter campaign. Who knows, right?

hclarkjr · 10-31-2023, 06:02 PM

happy to report that i just bought a new computer with a radeon 7800xt and it runs without fish trails!!

Jim Sachs · 11-04-2023, 11:42 PM

Glad to hear it!

hclarkjr · 11-05-2023, 12:32 AM

sadly it only lasted 1 day then went back to trails

feldon34 · 11-06-2023, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by hclarkjr:

sadly it only lasted 1 day then went back to trails

It's the automatic drivers installed by Microsoft. Windows 10 and 11 automatically install the WHQL Microsoft approved drivers when let to sit for a few hours. Those drivers seem to have particular problems. I always suggest going to the official drivers from AMD or nVidia.

Bardobaby · 11-23-2023, 07:41 PM

I have a surface pro 9, Windows 11 and the Iris Xe gpu, and I get the trails too. So this isn't limited to any particular installed graphics card. Its seems its either something to do with Windows 11, or, if your computer natively has Iris XE built in (someone else mentioned the Iris XE in this thread I believe.)

hclarkjr · 12-03-2023, 08:21 AM

i got the fish trails to go away again, there is setting in the newer drivers called HYPR-RX and once i enabled it they went away. running fine now

05-25-2023, 07:05 AM	#23
Ralph Retired Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Edmonton Alberta Ca Posts: 2,441	Originally posted by Hotkey: Any updates on fix? Unlikely, with software as old as this... it's a credit to Jim's programming that it works at all on the latest versions of operating systems and computers Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889 – 1951) The limits of my language are the limits of my mind. All I know is what I have words for.

05-29-2023, 04:52 PM	#25
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Originally posted by Hotkey: I have same issue with new Dell Win 11 laptop. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Laptop GPU. I hate to not be able to use this terrific screen saver! Can you use another program like a Screen Saver randomizer to trigger the Aquarium? "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-18-2023, 03:50 PM	#26
aprilr41 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 1	Fish Trail Bug Originally posted by feldon34: Can you use another program like a Screen Saver randomizer to trigger the Aquarium? Hi, I'm here with the same problem, fish trails on the background, running Windows 10 with AMD Ryzen 7 5800X. I'm currently looking for a screen saver randomizer, but just out of curiosity I installed marine aquarium 2.6 +time, and it works perfectly. Downside is no pan, no cave with eel, not nearly as pretty or as many fish, but hey, it's way better than the nothing I had before.

06-20-2023, 10:35 AM	#27
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Originally posted by aprilr41: Hi, I'm here with the same problem, fish trails on the background, running Windows 10 with AMD Ryzen 7 5800X. I'm currently looking for a screen saver randomizer, but just out of curiosity I installed marine aquarium 2.6 +time, and it works perfectly. Downside is no pan, no cave with eel, not nearly as pretty or as many fish, but hey, it's way better than the nothing I had before. ~~Marine Aquarium 2.6 was based on a codebase Prolific wrote.~~ Marine Aquarium 3.0 was a complete rewrite by Jim. Awesome program but the way it initializes the graphics card in screensaver mode causes these background trails issue on certain cards with certain drivers. I don't know the best screen saver randomizer program that isn't full of malware. If someone finds one please post it! "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-23-2023, 11:50 AM	#28
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	v2.6 was written entirely by me. I also wrote v3, but Prolific helped with a few of the Windows-interface calls (like the one in question). Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

05-21-2023, 12:50 PM	#21
Hotkey Registered Join Date: May 2023 Posts: 5	I have same issue with new Dell Win 11 laptop. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Laptop GPU. I hate to not be able to use this terrific screen saver!

05-24-2023, 08:31 AM	#22
Hotkey Registered Join Date: May 2023 Posts: 5	Any updates on fix?

05-25-2023, 10:08 AM	#24
Hotkey Registered Join Date: May 2023 Posts: 5	Sad....its a great product....

06-27-2023, 11:44 AM	#29
Vinz Clortho Servant of Zool Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 21	There is a kind of workaround for this, but it's not going to be for everyone. You'll need to purchase the android version of MA3 and then run it on your PC in an android emulator. I find Nox Player is the easiest to use. The drawbacks are 1) You have to purchase MA3 for android if you don't own it already 2) You can't change the background colours 3) Running the aquarium as a screensaver is possible but not practical. You could always run the aquarium on an Android box or sideload it on a firestick if you just want to see it on a screen that's not your PC monitor.

08-12-2023, 08:14 AM	#30
hclarkjr Registered Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 12	jim, would you consider fixing these trails for us radeon users? i would be willing to give you a donation to do so. i am sure some others would be willing to help too.

08-13-2023, 03:08 PM	#31
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	It's in the Radeon drivers. I wouldn't have any idea how to fix it on my end. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

09-25-2023, 11:37 AM	#32
F34R Registered Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 52	Yeah, the trails don't show up in the wireframe mode. Also they only appear behind the scene layer, i.e. clock, shells, coral, etc. If you go from regular to wireframe, it disappears, but will continue after you leave wireframe mode. This is on the Asus ROG Ally. It works 100% on all my other systems since 2005 lol. Even my newest Lenovo laptop runs it perfectly.

09-27-2023, 12:24 AM	#33
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	The Radeon drivers are simply not refreshing the frame buffer. All my code can do is ask, it's up to them to grant the request. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

09-27-2023, 01:34 AM	#34
F34R Registered Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 52	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: The Radeon drivers are simply not refreshing the frame buffer. All my code can do is ask, it's up to them to grant the request. Yeah I saw your other reply about that, after I had already posted the picture lol. I do appreciate it though. Still love checking in here every now and again. Always having the hope of a new release. A kickstarter campaign. Who knows, right?

10-31-2023, 06:02 PM	#35
hclarkjr Registered Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 12	happy to report that i just bought a new computer with a radeon 7800xt and it runs without fish trails!!

11-04-2023, 11:42 PM	#36
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	Glad to hear it! Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

11-05-2023, 12:32 AM	#37
hclarkjr Registered Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 12	sadly it only lasted 1 day then went back to trails

11-06-2023, 03:54 PM	#38
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Originally posted by hclarkjr: sadly it only lasted 1 day then went back to trails It's the automatic drivers installed by Microsoft. Windows 10 and 11 automatically install the WHQL Microsoft approved drivers when let to sit for a few hours. Those drivers seem to have particular problems. I always suggest going to the official drivers from AMD or nVidia. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

11-23-2023, 07:41 PM	#39
Bardobaby Registered Join Date: Nov 2023 Posts: 1	I have a surface pro 9, Windows 11 and the Iris Xe gpu, and I get the trails too. So this isn't limited to any particular installed graphics card. Its seems its either something to do with Windows 11, or, if your computer natively has Iris XE built in (someone else mentioned the Iris XE in this thread I believe.)

12-03-2023, 08:21 AM	#40
hclarkjr Registered Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 12	i got the fish trails to go away again, there is setting in the newer drivers called HYPR-RX and once i enabled it they went away. running fine now