Beta 11p discussion - Page 2

JohnWho · 06-14-2010, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by Dale:

Re: 1. A "Add MA3 Music" button on the Music Playlist panel.

Would put CanonGuitar.sgt in the playlist (perhaps more than one time). This would simplify the "what if I lost the lovely MA3 music" instructions.

It's just like the "Add MA3 Logo" in the Clock/Logo panel.

I understand.

Dale · 06-14-2010, 08:43 PM

Re: 2. A "User Guide" or "FAQ" button somewhere (various suggestions for what/how/where).

Originally posted by JohnWho:

Or standard Windows "help" button?

Seems like this would require a lot of changing.

Please note that these have been discussed elsewhere. Two of the apparently-practical small-effort solutions suggested were:

A. Go to http://www.serenescreen.com/product/...3/info/faq.php (similar function to "Visit Website")

B. Open "UserGuide.txt" in a read-only window.

In both cases, of course, it would be necessary to "close" MA3. [Perhaps not, if MA3 is in Windowed Mode] But method A. is already coded. And method B. is fairly straightforward.

JohnWho · 06-14-2010, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by JohnWho:

Re: the sliders in "Program Settings" -

they look slightly different in the Panel when I open it in "Windowed Mode" and "Fullscreen".

One shows the slider along a line, the other shows it in a long rectangular box.

Testing...

Had a small problem with a mixture of 11p and 11o which is resolved now although it's a bit odd that the sliders appeared a bit different.

In any case, sliders look all OK now.

Nicki · 06-15-2010, 11:39 AM

No problems to report here. All the recent changes are working perfectly.

Jim Sachs · 06-15-2010, 12:35 PM

The files have been sent to Edgar for compilation as MA3.1.

Thanks to all the people who did the early testing in the private Alpha-Testing Forum, and all those here in the public Beta-Testing Forum who have made suggestions for fine-tuning.

Apologies to anyone who may not have gotten their fair share of notice or respect during this hectic time.

Wizwad · 06-15-2010, 05:46 PM

With the 'fade out - fade in' on the crystal, I'm still thrilled. So you've got a happy camper in me!

Great news on sending it in for compiling with the installer.

JohnWho · 06-15-2010, 05:58 PM

Yeah, I've been noticing that you've been

fading out and fading in, Wizwad.

*cleans glasses*

Oh, wait -

never mind!

Wizwad · 06-15-2010, 06:12 PM

No, no, you're right!

*fades out, just leaving a cheshire cat style cheesy grin*

JohnWho · 06-16-2010, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by JohnWho:

Also, in the same panel,

the "Limit Frame Rate" slider doesn't have "-"/"+" signs like the other sliders.

Oops!

3.1 missed this one.

cjmaddy · 06-16-2010, 07:42 AM

+ & - are not needed. The value chosen is shown above the slider. The slider just changes the selected rate!

Wizwad · 06-16-2010, 10:11 AM

I think the point was just to maintain consistency, not because they are required. A uniform look across the piece just achieves a better end effect.

JohnWho · 06-16-2010, 02:16 PM

Exactly Wizwad.

With the Limit Frame Rate slider, it could have the "-" / "+" signs, or the words "less/more" or "lower/higher" or perhaps "min/max" or the numbers "30" and "124" (the min/max numbers) or 30 fps/124 fps, or ....

Well, you get the idea. There is no right or wrong regarding the labels. What there is is the way Jim decides. A consistent look simply shows attention to detail and a more polished finished product.

I agree with cjmaddy that it doesn't "need" the "-"/"+" signs, but Jim's reply in post #18 made me think that he was going to add them to each of the places I mentioned.

Sure it is minor or "picky". MA 3 has been out for quite a while, and a few of the Settings panels did not have the SereneScreen/MA3 image on them. The program still worked just fine. However, those screens now have the image. So does the new Set Background Colors screen. Do they make the program run any better? "No". But, it does appear a bit more polished and finished.

What's the harm in this?

cjmaddy · 06-16-2010, 02:26 PM

In that case, then they are needed for the number of fish on the Chose Fish, the Background Colors sliders, and the Logo Time change, etc.
That is taking fanaticism too far. - They are totally unnecessary.

JohnWho · 06-16-2010, 02:48 PM

Missed the Background Colors sliders - good eye, cjmaddy.

Choose Fish and Logo Time change are not sliders.

Otherwise, you are not really arguing with me, you are arguing with Jim since it is he who decides what is necessary or not.

Are you calling Jim a fanatic?

Jim Sachs · 06-16-2010, 03:42 PM

And we were so close to climbing out of the rabbit hole...
Imagine an alternate Universe where this thread ends at post #28, and we all live happily ever after.

JohnWho · 06-16-2010, 03:57 PM

Jim -

did you take the blue pill or the pink pill?

(The ones your mother gave you don't do anything at all.)

Wizwad · 06-17-2010, 02:49 AM

I'll have a bottle or two of Benylin please. It won't do anything for me as I don't have a cold, but at least I like the taste.

06-14-2010, 08:39 PM	#21
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	Originally posted by Dale: Re: 1. A "Add MA3 Music" button on the Music Playlist panel. Would put CanonGuitar.sgt in the playlist (perhaps more than one time). This would simplify the "what if I lost the lovely MA3 music" instructions. It's just like the "Add MA3 Logo" in the Clock/Logo panel. I understand. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-14-2010, 08:54 PM	#23
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	Originally posted by JohnWho: Re: the sliders in "Program Settings" - they look slightly different in the Panel when I open it in "Windowed Mode" and "Fullscreen". One shows the slider along a line, the other shows it in a long rectangular box. Testing... Had a small problem with a mixture of 11p and 11o which is resolved now although it's a bit odd that the sliders appeared a bit different. In any case, sliders look all OK now. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-15-2010, 11:39 AM	#24
Nicki Sugar Plum Fairy Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,267	No problems to report here. All the recent changes are working perfectly. Run you clever boy. And remember...

06-15-2010, 12:35 PM	#25
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	The files have been sent to Edgar for compilation as MA3.1. Thanks to all the people who did the early testing in the private Alpha-Testing Forum, and all those here in the public Beta-Testing Forum who have made suggestions for fine-tuning. Apologies to anyone who may not have gotten their fair share of notice or respect during this hectic time. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

06-15-2010, 05:46 PM	#26
Wizwad Only me... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 2,584	With the 'fade out - fade in' on the crystal, I'm still thrilled. So you've got a happy camper in me! Great news on sending it in for compiling with the installer. Mark ----------- Intel i7 12700K \| Aorus Z690 Pro \| Corsair DDR5 5600 32GB \| Asus Dual RTX3060ti 6GB v2 Mini OC \| Corsair RM850 Gold PSU \| 1TB NVMe M.2 WD Black SN850 \| 4TB Seagate BarraCuda HDD \| Corsair Airflow 5000D Case \| HP 32QHD 4K Monitor \| Windows 11 x64 Professional

06-14-2010, 08:43 PM	#22
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Re: 2. A "User Guide" or "FAQ" button somewhere (various suggestions for what/how/where). Originally posted by JohnWho: Or standard Windows "help" button? Seems like this would require a lot of changing. Please note that these have been discussed elsewhere. Two of the apparently-practical small-effort solutions suggested were: A. Go to http://www.serenescreen.com/product/...3/info/faq.php (similar function to "Visit Website") B. Open "UserGuide.txt" in a read-only window. In both cases, of course, it would be necessary to "close" MA3. [Perhaps not, if MA3 is in Windowed Mode] But method A. is already coded. And method B. is fairly straightforward.

06-15-2010, 05:58 PM	#27
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	Yeah, I've been noticing that you've been fading out and fading in, Wizwad. cleans glasses Oh, wait - never mind! I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-15-2010, 06:12 PM	#28
Wizwad Only me... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 2,584	No, no, you're right! fades out, just leaving a cheshire cat style cheesy grin Mark ----------- Intel i7 12700K \| Aorus Z690 Pro \| Corsair DDR5 5600 32GB \| Asus Dual RTX3060ti 6GB v2 Mini OC \| Corsair RM850 Gold PSU \| 1TB NVMe M.2 WD Black SN850 \| 4TB Seagate BarraCuda HDD \| Corsair Airflow 5000D Case \| HP 32QHD 4K Monitor \| Windows 11 x64 Professional

06-16-2010, 06:39 AM	#29
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	Originally posted by JohnWho: Also, in the same panel, the "Limit Frame Rate" slider doesn't have "-"/"+" signs like the other sliders. Oops! 3.1 missed this one. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-16-2010, 07:42 AM	#30
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	+ & - are not needed. The value chosen is shown above the slider. The slider just changes the selected rate!

06-16-2010, 10:11 AM	#31
Wizwad Only me... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 2,584	I think the point was just to maintain consistency, not because they are required. A uniform look across the piece just achieves a better end effect. Mark ----------- Intel i7 12700K \| Aorus Z690 Pro \| Corsair DDR5 5600 32GB \| Asus Dual RTX3060ti 6GB v2 Mini OC \| Corsair RM850 Gold PSU \| 1TB NVMe M.2 WD Black SN850 \| 4TB Seagate BarraCuda HDD \| Corsair Airflow 5000D Case \| HP 32QHD 4K Monitor \| Windows 11 x64 Professional

06-16-2010, 02:16 PM	#32
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	Exactly Wizwad. With the Limit Frame Rate slider, it could have the "-" / "+" signs, or the words "less/more" or "lower/higher" or perhaps "min/max" or the numbers "30" and "124" (the min/max numbers) or 30 fps/124 fps, or .... Well, you get the idea. There is no right or wrong regarding the labels. What there is is the way Jim decides. A consistent look simply shows attention to detail and a more polished finished product. I agree with cjmaddy that it doesn't "need" the "-"/"+" signs, but Jim's reply in post #18 made me think that he was going to add them to each of the places I mentioned. Sure it is minor or "picky". MA 3 has been out for quite a while, and a few of the Settings panels did not have the SereneScreen/MA3 image on them. The program still worked just fine. However, those screens now have the image. So does the new Set Background Colors screen. Do they make the program run any better? "No". But, it does appear a bit more polished and finished. What's the harm in this? I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-16-2010, 02:26 PM	#33
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	In that case, then they are needed for the number of fish on the Chose Fish, the Background Colors sliders, and the Logo Time change, etc. That is taking fanaticism too far. - They are totally unnecessary.

06-16-2010, 02:48 PM	#34
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	Missed the Background Colors sliders - good eye, cjmaddy. Choose Fish and Logo Time change are not sliders. Otherwise, you are not really arguing with me, you are arguing with Jim since it is he who decides what is necessary or not. Are you calling Jim a fanatic? I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-16-2010, 03:42 PM	#35
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	And we were so close to climbing out of the rabbit hole... Imagine an alternate Universe where this thread ends at post #28, and we all live happily ever after. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

06-16-2010, 03:57 PM	#36
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	Jim - did you take the blue pill or the pink pill? (The ones your mother gave you don't do anything at all.) I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-17-2010, 02:49 AM	#37
Wizwad Only me... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 2,584	I'll have a bottle or two of Benylin please. It won't do anything for me as I don't have a cold, but at least I like the taste. Mark ----------- Intel i7 12700K \| Aorus Z690 Pro \| Corsair DDR5 5600 32GB \| Asus Dual RTX3060ti 6GB v2 Mini OC \| Corsair RM850 Gold PSU \| 1TB NVMe M.2 WD Black SN850 \| 4TB Seagate BarraCuda HDD \| Corsair Airflow 5000D Case \| HP 32QHD 4K Monitor \| Windows 11 x64 Professional