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![]() Not that it's vitally important, but for completeness it would be nice if the readme.txt said what the "unregistered" limits on the fish are. Did you happen to observe that?
![]() Limited to only the top line of fish, no more than 3 of each, and you need to learn how to type "testfish"? Anything else? Oddly, I can't find this in writing anywhere. Perhaps I haven't searched in the right place(s)? I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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![]() Yes, I have a spot for that in my "draft" copy.
Limited to only the top line of fish, no more than 3 of each, and you need to learn how to type "testfish"? Anything else? Oddly, I can't find this in writing anywhere. Perhaps I haven't searched in the right place(s)? ![]() The only thing I can find is a discussion of why the limit isn't 3 fish (total). I suspect that only Jim can provide a comprehensive list of the Testfish limitations (or perhaps Morgan, now that he does tech support). |
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I finally figured out how to deconvolve this:
![]() If Music was already on when you brought up the Playlist panel, then it will still be on when you exit the panel, no matter what you have done with the Play or Stop buttons.
If Music was off when you entered the Playlist panel, pressing Play will turn Music on until you hit Stop. If you don't hit Stop, Music will be on until you turn it off in Program Settings or hit "M". ![]() Music can be turned ON using either of those, and also by using the Music Playlist Play control. I'm not sure that helps your readme.txt efforts, but it "unconfused" me. |
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Yes, similar to the way Show Crystal can be turned on (but not off) in the Logo Playlist.
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![]() Yes, similar to the way Show Crystal can be turned on (but not off) in the Logo Playlist.
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Maybe.
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![]() Yes, similar to the way Show Crystal can be turned on (but not off) in the Logo Playlist.
![]() I'm not seeing this ability in the Logo Playlist. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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![]() I finally figured out how to deconvolve this:
Music can only be turned OFF using the Program Settings check box or toggling the M key. Music can be turned ON using either of those, and also by using the Music Playlist Play control. I'm not sure that helps your readme.txt efforts, but it "unconfused" me. ![]() Easiest to document would be if in the Music Playlist, "Play" and "Stop" only had an effect while in the Music Playlist screen. This way, the master setting in Program Settings would not be altered either way. However, once all the dust settles, and we have the final "this is how it will be" 11(x), I'll make the Readme reflect these things accordingly. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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OK, I've implemented it the same way as the LogoList screen.
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![]() I'm not seeing this ability in the Logo Playlist.
![]() ![]() Turn "show crystal" off in the Program Settings, and then open the Logo Playlist panel. Presto! It warns you that the crystal isn't going to be shown unless you (click here) turn it on. If "show crystal" is on, there's no need to say anything in the Logo Playlist panel, so you can't see it. Rather elegant implementation. |
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Got it, thanks.
In that case, having that same thing happen in the Logo Playlist makes perfect, and consistant, sense. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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Per your request:
Did you lose the original "Guitar" music and want it back? First, find your MA3 folder. It's usually (on Vista or Windows 7): C:\Users\YOURACCOUNTNAME\AppData\Roaming\Marine Aquarium 3\ Find the file named MA3Playlist.lst Now, you have two choices: 1. If you have other music in your Playlist that you want to keep, and just want to add the Guitar music, then: Open the MAA3Playlist.lst file with an editor Add one new line that contains just the name of the song, which is CanonGuitar.sgt Save the results of your editing. When MA3 next runs, it will play the Guitar music along with all of your other music. 2A. If you don't care to save anything that might have been in your playlist (or if it's empty), then: Just delete the MA3Playlist.lst file When MA3 next runs, it will play the Guitar music. 2B. Actually, if you have other things in your playlist, and you want to get rid of all of them and just have the Guitar music, there's an easier way. Just "Remove" all of the other music. An empty playlist tells MA3 to play the Guitar music. [Editorial footnote: I tried to figure out how to get 2B before any of the other stuff, but couldn't make it read correctly. Perhaps you will have better luck.] |
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OK, thanks.
I'll rework it to match the format I'm using somewhat, and put it in the "Troubleshooting" section which remains mostly as it's been in the old "readme". I didn't feel that I should change this section and other than slight phrase changes or reference to Windows 7, I've left it alone. I'm off to find the MA3Playlist.lst file. I do notice that even with a totally empty Playlist, if you turn Music "on", CanonGuitar.sgt will play. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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Dang, just noticed you can do it within the Music Playlist screen, too.
Just choose "add" and then navigate to: (Win XP) C:\Documents and Settings\"your account name"\Application Data\Marine Aquarium 3\ (Vista & Win 7) C:\Users\"youraccountname"\AppData\Roaming\Marine Aquarium 3\ and it shows up "CanonGuitar.sgt" just like any other supported music file. Much easier. Probably better than explaining the "edit file" method, at least in the "readme". I would suggest that the "edit file" method be added in the FAQ info on either or both the SereneScreen and this Forum's pages though as the FAQs should provide more detail and some of these behind the scenes "tricks", in my opinion. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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![]() I do notice that even with a totally empty Playlist, if you turn Music "on", CanonGuitar.sgt will play.
![]() ![]() Dang, just noticed you can do it within the Music Playlist screen, too.
Just choose "add" and then navigate to: (Win XP) C:\Documents and Settings\"your account name"\Application Data\Marine Aquarium 3\ (Vista & Win 7) C:\Users\"youraccountname"\AppData\Roaming\Marine Aquarium 3\ and it shows up "CanonGuitar.sgt" just like any other supported music file. Much easier. ![]() |
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Yeah, now that you point it out, I checked my other PC and the file is not there. Drat.
Is a blank playlist that plays CanonGuitar a bug? @ Jim - if you would insure that "CanonGuitar.sgt" is installed in the same folder where MA3playlist.lst and MA3logolist.lst is, it would make life easier for folks to "recover" the CanonGuitar.sgt file. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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![]() Yeah, now that you point it out, I checked my other PC and the file is not there. Drat.
Is a blank playlist that plays CanonGuitar a bug? @ Jim - if you would insure that "CanonGuitar.sgt" is installed in the same folder where MA3playlist.lst and MA3logolist.lst is, it would make life easier for folks to "recover" the CanonGuitar.sgt file. ![]() At one time, the presence of a CanonGuitar.sgt actual file was considered to be a bug. For some (interesting?) historical background, start around post #32 in: https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...?t=4850&page=2 ![]() I do seem to recall that in very early versions I was actually copying the file to the computer. Maybe those are still hanging around on some people's computers.
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Yeah, I've now read through that.
The "CanonGuitar.sgt" playing when the playlist is blank and music is "on" is apparently a "design feature", or, as we used to call them when I worked with a software house - an "undocumented non-feature". In any case, if that's the way it works, then that's the way I'll say it works in the readme. In the words of some wiser-than-I man - "so shall it be, so it is written" (apologies to Yul Brenner in "The King and I"). I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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![]() The "CanonGuitar.sgt" playing when the playlist is blank and music is "on" is apparently a "design feature", or, as we used to call them when I worked with a software house - an "undocumented non-feature".
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The music playlist interface and the logo playlist interface are nearly identical internally. They both have a default file to play if the list is empty. If you delete everything in the list, exit Settings, then go back into Settings, both those interfaces should have their default filename listed. After a cursory look at the code, it's not obvious why the Logo list shows the default logo, but the Music list does not show the default music. I'll have to dig deeper, but I'm still working on the Framerate stuff.
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