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Ralph · 10-10-2003, 10:18 PM

Perhaps my registry is messed up but..
2 versions ago the checkmarks would work "opposite" of what I thought was normal. I.E. checking no plants would show plants and un checking would not show plants.
Then 1 versions ago check marks in the tank set up area (now called Tank Configuration) would do nothing.
And.. in this version 1.02 the same thing.
I can run through the various tanks by "]" and if I select "cycle tanks" that works. Which ever tank is left on when the GA is shut of becomes the default starting tank the next time from either condition above.
But. with a full tank (Lush Planting) I can have all the check marks off or on (in tank configuration) and the GA will allways start the same way.

I am making the assumption that from the settings dialog > Tank Configuration a change in the selection will be reflected as soon as one hits enter and the GA re starts... Perhaps I am wrong.... It seems this problem (as I see it) is not common to the other forum users.
Ralph

Reichart · 10-10-2003, 10:35 PM

So, you are seeing a problems others here (and myself) are not seeing?

I'm trying to lock this down.

10-10-2003, 11:46 PM

Bye bye Beta, bye bye...

Ralph · 10-11-2003, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by Reichart
So, you are seeing a problems others here (and myself) are not seeing?

I'm trying to lock this down.

It looks like that could be the problem. Here is an image of what I think should bring up the GA in a large clear tank. Alas....... it does not

Like I mentioned before I can cycle the tanks with "]" and the cycle selected tanks work. And, the last used tank format becomes the default for the next instance if I shut down.
Two things I suspect may be the cause of the problem.
My registry entries are screwed up. Since the start of the betas I have just installed one over the last. Or... because I use Autocad I can not make a shortcut to the *.scr file and place it on my desktop. So I change the format to *.exe, then I can make a shortcut and run the GA on demand.
I just checked to see if the GA runs any differently when set as the default from Windows (I.E. will start the *.scr file) and it does not. So my Autocad *.exe solution does not seem to make a difference.

Socrates · 10-11-2003, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Ralph
It looks like that could be the problem. Here is an image of what I think should bring up the GA in a large clear tank. Alas....... it does not

I get the same result.

cjmaddy · 10-11-2003, 10:36 AM

It appears to me, that it isn't the ticked box that determines which tank is brought up, but the highlighted name. I think the ticked boxes only refer to those tanks in the cycling routine.

I agree that some clear indication of 'what does what' is needed!

Or to put it another way, - the documentation leaves something to be desired.

.... we are planning to build a pretty smart Help file online very soon. Which in my opinion is where ALL manuals and help files should be for all products (software, hardware, and services).

In my opinion, we should not have to go online to get operating instructions!

Reichart · 10-11-2003, 02:00 PM

1. Q: Here is an image of what I think should bring up the GA in a large clear tank.
A: Cool, that helped. Recapped:

If one de/selects one of the tanks (by un/checking it), the tank cycle line-up should be flushed on exit of the settings dialogue, and start with the first selected tank offered.

This would fix almost every issue. However, if one was currently looking at…lets say “Lush Plants” and then unchecked “Medium Planting,” then exited, there would be no apparently change. One would still see “Lush Plants.”

However, if everything was selected, and one unchecked “Lush Plants” then when one exited, then “Medium Planting” would come up.

cjmaddy · 10-11-2003, 05:32 PM

In my system, as shown in Ralph's attached image, it is the tank name highlighted that comes up, not the tank selected by a tick in the checkbox, - even when 'Cycle Selected Tanks' is checked.
Once the first cycle change has taken place, only then does it start at the first tank selected for cycling.
But if 'Cycle Selected Tanks' is UNchecked, then the only way to get a tank to come up, is by highlighting the tank name, not by ticking the check box.

The confusion is in the definition of 'Selected' ! ...... ticking a check box, or highlighting a name?

Ralph · 10-11-2003, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by Reichart
However, if everything was selected, and one unchecked “Lush Plants” then when one exited, then “Medium Planting” would come up.

Not quite.... on my system. But CJMADDY has found solution.
The check marks do "nothing"

it is the highlighted selection that brings up that selection.

Reicharts solution only works... in my case.. because unselecting also leaves that selection active (highlighted) but if I make an effort to unselect that selection by clicking someplace else then it no longer works and defaults to the last used.
Problem resolved.... but will need extensive instructions. If this, then that, but only when condition "A" exists or the moon is in the quadrant of Capricorn..

10-11-2003, 07:41 PM

...It is the dawning of the Age of Aquariums...

Jav400 · 10-11-2003, 08:07 PM

They just think they know that I know they know that I know.

sunny · 10-12-2003, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by cjmaddy
In my system, as shown in Ralph's attached image, it is the tank name highlighted that comes up, not the tank selected by a tick in the checkbox, - even when 'Cycle Selected Tanks' is checked.
Once the first cycle change has taken place, only then does it start at the first tank selected for cycling.
But if 'Cycle Selected Tanks' is UNchecked, then the only way to get a tank to come up, is by highlighting the tank name, not by ticking the check box.

The confusion is in the definition of 'Selected' ! ...... ticking a check box, or highlighting a name?

that's what happening on my system.
and cjmaddy solution works on my configuration.
and one more thing is:
cycle tanks checkbox should grayed out when only one tank is selected.

Reichart · 10-13-2003, 04:50 PM

1. Q: The confusion is in the definition of 'Selected' ! ...... ticking a check box, or highlighting a name?

A: Perhaps. This is a murky area of UI.

But we are going to play with this, and work up something that makes it more intuitive. That way people don’t need any help.

Pedey · 10-16-2003, 07:27 AM

Is there any way we will be able to feed the fishies??

I think feeding is one of the great things about having fish so it should be a must really!

Reichart · 10-16-2003, 11:53 AM

Yes...

Tiny Turtle · 10-17-2003, 12:43 AM

Pedey,
Just to be clear: What Reichart means is that it is an upcoming feature – you can't do it in the current version.

/Tiny Clarification

Pedey · 10-17-2003, 05:47 AM

cool! fish food!! "I'm gonna feed ya to the fishies!!"

IXNAY · 11-30-2003, 10:10 AM

Hey Reichart and Prolific, are there some news you can satisfiy us with???

Reichart · 11-30-2003, 02:23 PM

Holidays tend to be a slow time for us, we push everyone to spend time with their families, but:

Sharks is very very close. Working on one last annoying bug.
MAL: A new version of MA that allows people to make their own logos is being worked on.
GA: New fish, and new background is being worked on. Don’t have a date. But I would guess end of Jan.

A few other things will come before then, like the multi-monitor stuff. We had to jump off Screen Savers because of some firefighting we were asked to help on for several other companies.

feldon34 · 01-05-2004, 01:41 PM

Marine Aquarium Logo now has its own topic.

10-10-2003, 10:35 PM	#22
Reichart CTO Prolific Publishing Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui Posts: 423	So, you are seeing a problems others here (and myself) are not seeing? I'm trying to lock this down. *Reichart...* , CTO, Prolific Publishing, Inc. Come visit us Prolific Publishing, Inc.

10-11-2003, 10:13 AM	#25
Socrates Sage Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 1,529	Originally posted by Ralph It looks like that could be the problem. Here is an image of what I think should bring up the GA in a large clear tank. Alas....... it does not I get the same result. Bat rays? We don't need no stinking bat rays!

10-11-2003, 10:36 AM	#26
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	It appears to me, that it isn't the ticked box that determines which tank is brought up, but the highlighted name. I think the ticked boxes only refer to those tanks in the cycling routine. I agree that some clear indication of 'what does what' is needed! Or to put it another way, - the documentation leaves something to be desired. .... we are planning to build a pretty smart Help file online very soon. Which in my opinion is where ALL manuals and help files should be for all products (software, hardware, and services). In my opinion, we should not have to go online to get operating instructions! Last edited by cjmaddy; 10-11-2003 at 11:43 AM.

10-11-2003, 02:00 PM	#27
Reichart CTO Prolific Publishing Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui Posts: 423	1. Q: Here is an image of what I think should bring up the GA in a large clear tank. A: Cool, that helped. Recapped: If one de/selects one of the tanks (by un/checking it), the tank cycle line-up should be flushed on exit of the settings dialogue, and start with the first selected tank offered. This would fix almost every issue. However, if one was currently looking at…lets say “Lush Plants” and then unchecked “Medium Planting,” then exited, there would be no apparently change. One would still see “Lush Plants.” However, if everything was selected, and one unchecked “Lush Plants” then when one exited, then “Medium Planting” would come up. *Reichart...* , CTO, Prolific Publishing, Inc. Come visit us Prolific Publishing, Inc.

10-11-2003, 08:07 PM	#31
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10-10-2003, 10:18 PM	#21
Ralph Retired Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Edmonton Alberta Ca Posts: 2,443	Perhaps my registry is messed up but.. 2 versions ago the checkmarks would work "opposite" of what I thought was normal. I.E. checking no plants would show plants and un checking would not show plants. Then 1 versions ago check marks in the tank set up area (now called Tank Configuration) would do nothing. And.. in this version 1.02 the same thing. I can run through the various tanks by "]" and if I select "cycle tanks" that works. Which ever tank is left on when the GA is shut of becomes the default starting tank the next time from either condition above. But. with a full tank (Lush Planting) I can have all the check marks off or on (in tank configuration) and the GA will allways start the same way. I am making the assumption that from the settings dialog > Tank Configuration a change in the selection will be reflected as soon as one hits enter and the GA re starts... Perhaps I am wrong.... It seems this problem (as I see it) is not common to the other forum users. Ralph

10-10-2003, 11:46 PM	#23
klyntun Guest Posts: n/a	Bye bye Beta, bye bye...

10-11-2003, 05:32 PM	#28
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	In my system, as shown in Ralph's attached image, it is the tank name highlighted that comes up, not the tank selected by a tick in the checkbox, - even when 'Cycle Selected Tanks' is checked. Once the first cycle change has taken place, only then does it start at the first tank selected for cycling. But if 'Cycle Selected Tanks' is UNchecked, then the only way to get a tank to come up, is by highlighting the tank name, not by ticking the check box. The confusion is in the definition of 'Selected' ! ...... ticking a check box, or highlighting a name?

10-11-2003, 06:41 PM	#29
Ralph Retired Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Edmonton Alberta Ca Posts: 2,443	Originally posted by Reichart However, if everything was selected, and one unchecked “Lush Plants” then when one exited, then “Medium Planting” would come up. Not quite.... on my system. But CJMADDY has found solution. The check marks do "nothing" it is the highlighted selection that brings up that selection. Reicharts solution only works... in my case.. because unselecting also leaves that selection active (highlighted) but if I make an effort to unselect that selection by clicking someplace else then it no longer works and defaults to the last used. Problem resolved.... but will need extensive instructions. If this, then that, but only when condition "A" exists or the moon is in the quadrant of Capricorn..

10-11-2003, 07:41 PM	#30
klyntun Guest Posts: n/a	...It is the dawning of the Age of Aquariums...

10-12-2003, 09:36 PM	#32
sunny Registered Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Penang,Malaysia Posts: 277	Originally posted by cjmaddy In my system, as shown in Ralph's attached image, it is the tank name highlighted that comes up, not the tank selected by a tick in the checkbox, - even when 'Cycle Selected Tanks' is checked. Once the first cycle change has taken place, only then does it start at the first tank selected for cycling. But if 'Cycle Selected Tanks' is UNchecked, then the only way to get a tank to come up, is by highlighting the tank name, not by ticking the check box. The confusion is in the definition of 'Selected' ! ...... ticking a check box, or highlighting a name? that's what happening on my system. and cjmaddy solution works on my configuration. and one more thing is: cycle tanks checkbox should grayed out when only one tank is selected.

10-13-2003, 04:50 PM	#33
Reichart CTO Prolific Publishing Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui Posts: 423	1. Q: The confusion is in the definition of 'Selected' ! ...... ticking a check box, or highlighting a name? A: Perhaps. This is a murky area of UI. But we are going to play with this, and work up something that makes it more intuitive. That way people don’t need any help. *Reichart...* , CTO, Prolific Publishing, Inc. Come visit us Prolific Publishing, Inc.

10-16-2003, 07:27 AM	#34
Pedey Registered Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: England Posts: 3	Is there any way we will be able to feed the fishies?? I think feeding is one of the great things about having fish so it should be a must really!

10-16-2003, 11:53 AM	#35
Reichart CTO Prolific Publishing Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui Posts: 423	Yes... *Reichart...* , CTO, Prolific Publishing, Inc. Come visit us Prolific Publishing, Inc.

10-17-2003, 12:43 AM	#36
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10-17-2003, 05:47 AM	#37
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11-30-2003, 10:10 AM	#38
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11-30-2003, 02:23 PM	#39
Reichart CTO Prolific Publishing Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui Posts: 423	Holidays tend to be a slow time for us, we push everyone to spend time with their families, but: Sharks is very very close. Working on one last annoying bug. MAL: A new version of MA that allows people to make their own logos is being worked on. GA: New fish, and new background is being worked on. Don’t have a date. But I would guess end of Jan. A few other things will come before then, like the multi-monitor stuff. We had to jump off Screen Savers because of some firefighting we were asked to help on for several other companies. *Reichart...* , CTO, Prolific Publishing, Inc. Come visit us Prolific Publishing, Inc.

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