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Soon as I get this clock lightplay figured out.
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I just upgraded my computer and decided to go with Windows 7 32 bit, which so far is better than I expected ( I loved XP but needed HTML5 support and IE9 won't run on XP), anyway I installed the Beta 11F and the Auto Pan feature does not seem to work anymore. I have it checked off, but the view remains constant no scrolling.
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![]() I installed the Beta 11F and the Auto Pan feature does not seem to work anymore. I have it checked off, but the view remains constant no scrolling.
Cheers ![]() ![]() I decided to play around with all the check marks, and it works if I check off the "render same image on all monitors" setting, I only have 1 monitor, but I am glad it works. Don't remember having this checked in the Install version of MA3 on Xp though. |
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The "p" key toggles the scrolling, was it on? With multiple monitors you can easily establish more width than MA3 is wide so the scrolling effectively stops.
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![]() I decided to play around with all the check marks, and it works if I check off the "render same image on all monitors" setting, I only have 1 monitor, but I am glad it works.
Don't remember having this checked in the Install version of MA3 on Xp though. ![]() |
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![]() It is an AMD HD 3870, it has 2 outputs for video so it is capable of driving 2 monitors.
![]() Then when you "check off the "render same image on all monitors" setting", it works "properly". There are many potential causes of a video card thinking the wrong things - settings, drivers, cables connected, etc. Make sure you have the latest drivers, and then look at settings. Perhaps someone else here has the same card and can advise. |
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If you have outputs for 2 monitors, but only one monitor is connected, then set one monitor tab, (in MA3 Display Settings), to:- 'Display nothing on this monitor'. - You should then be able to scroll the whole of MA3 across just the one screen. - That will also explain why, 'Render same image on all monitors', had the same effect.
Deciding which tab, (Monitor 1, or, Monitor 2), requires the, 'Display nothing on this monitor', will depend on which output from the card your monitor is connected to. - If the first one you try gives a blank screen, then try the other. - But only one must be checked! |
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![]() If you have outputs for 2 monitors, but only one monitor is connected, then set one monitor tab, (in MA3 Display Settings), to:- 'Display nothing on this monitor'. -
![]() If only one monitor is connected, but the system thinks that 2 or 3 are connected, then something is fundamentally "not right". [My video card has 2 monitor outputs, and is capable of driving 2 monitors at the same time, but only 1 monitor is connected. The system knows that, and MA3 doesn't have "monitor tabs" in display settings] Clearly, telling MA3 to not display on the unconnected monitor should make MA3 work better, of course. |
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James, - It's always possible that this could be another Windows 7 peculiarity, but, with reference to dual monitor video cards...
Because you have said that you have the option to, 'Render same image on all monitors', then I can only assume that your system must be set for more than one monitor. (Otherwise, that option would not be available to you). - However, even though you have 2 outputs, if you have no intention of connecting a second monitor, then you should go into Windows Display Properties/Settings, and set the video card for Single Display. - When you then go to the MA3 Display Settings, you will not see two monitor tabs, or the, 'Render same image on all monitors', option.... And everything should then work as a normal single monitor setup, with MA3 scrolling as intended. If you decide to connect the second monitor, (but at times have only one in use), then you will need to change back the video card settings, and adopt what I said in my previous post. If a video card has 2 monitor outputs, and is capable of driving 2 monitors at the same time, the system will only know that only one is connected, - if you first tell it so! - (in the video card settings in, Windows Display Properties/Settings). |
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![]() If a video card has 2 monitor outputs, and is capable of driving 2 monitors at the same time, the system will only know that only one is connected, - if you first tell it so! - (in the video card settings in, Windows Display Properties/Settings).
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![]() James, - It's always possible that this could be another Windows 7 peculiarity, but, with reference to dual monitor video cards...
then you should go into Windows Display Properties/Settings, and set the video card for Single Display. - When you then go to the MA3 Display Settings, you will not see two monitor tabs, or the, 'Render same image on all monitors', option.... And everything should then work as a normal single monitor setup, with MA3 scrolling as intended. ![]() I went into settings however there does not appear to be an option to output 1 monitor from the card. As long as it works it is fine it just means having to check boxes in MA3 that would not normally have to be checked. XP never had those boxes checked so it may very well be a Windows 7 oddity. Maybe once Jim goes to 7 he will see how to proceed. |
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Sorry about that. That's unfortunate. - So your only option with that particular ATI card and Windows 7, is to select, 'Render same image on all monitors', even though you only have one monitor connected... (And that option should not really be available!)...... Strange!
Jim, .... Another Weird and Wonderful Windows Work-around! ![]() |
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Another case of Windows 7 being buggy as an upgrade on an existing computer.
Run you clever boy. And remember...
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I'm still not convinced that this isn't a video driver issue and not an Windows 7 issue.
Both MA3 and Win 7 must be getting the information regarding the number of monitors from "something". Is it not the video driver? |
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![]() I'm still not convinced that this isn't a video driver issue and not an Windows 7 issue.
Both MA3 and Win 7 must be getting the information regarding the number of monitors from "something". Is it not the video driver? ![]() I have several Windows 7 computers of various versions. Most of them have video cards that are capable of two monitors, and have two output connectors. Most of the cards are ATI (AMD), although not as high-powered as the AMD HD 3870. One of the computers has an Nvidia (2-output) card. NONE of those Windows 7 systems have any doubt about how many monitor cables are connected. For JamesGreystone: cjmaddy suggested going to "Windows Display Properties/Settings". Step-by-step, how did you get to there? I presume you went to Control Panel, then Appearance and Personalization, then Display, and then clicked on "Change Display Settings" at the left. Or some other method. [The easiest method is to right-click on an empty spot on the desktop, and then select "screen resolution" from the popup.] In any case, you should get the "Change the appearance of your display" panel. There are "Detect" and "Identify" buttons at the upper right - click on Identify. Tell us what happens. (You can try "Detect", too). There's a pulldown box labeled Display. What does it say for displays 1 and 2. If there is a "Multiple Displays" button, click on it and tell us what you see. Do you happen to have cables connected to both outputs? It's often the case that the card actually detects connected cables, and assumes that a monitor is connected. |
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![]() I'm not convinced it's a Windows 7 issue, and agree that it may be a video driver issue.
I have several Windows 7 computers of various versions. Most of them have video cards that are capable of two monitors, and have two output connectors. Most of the cards are ATI (AMD), although not as high-powered as the AMD HD 3870. One of the computers has an Nvidia (2-output) card. NONE of those Windows 7 systems have any doubt about how many monitor cables are connected. For JamesGreystone: Do you happen to have cables connected to both outputs? It's often the case that the card actually detects connected cables, and assumes that a monitor is connected. ![]() If I disconnect the Analog cable MA3 does not show the dialog box for multiple monitors. Having said that however my XP machine had the same cables connected and the box never appeared in MA3, so windows 7 must have changed something or more likely it is a video driver for the card. I am using the winows 7 driver rather than installing the ati driver since it functions correctly, and the more native drivers I use the better in the long run. On the xp machine I had installed the original ati driver. |
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Still sounds like a fault with the driver. With both cables going to the same monitor, the driver should recognize that it is the same monitor, and not display both, or it should disable the "lesser", analog connection, I would think.
It is possible that there is a driver for the monitor that would resolve this issue, too. Perhaps you should install the current ATI/Win 7 driver for that card. Even so, both cables to the same monitor might still be a situation not recognized by the driver. You might contact the ATI folks for advice, but I suspect they will recommend not having both cables hooked up to the same monitor. It is very likely that the older Win XP drivers simply were not able to detect the situation. Was the XP PC using the exact same video configuration? At least you've resolved the issue. MA3 is not the problem, but it did show the symptom. Good work on troubleshooting, Dale. |
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Thanks.
![]() Good work on troubleshooting, Dale Still sounds like a fault with the driver. With both cables going to the same monitor, the driver should recognize that it is the same monitor, and not display both, or it should disable the "lesser", analog connection, I would think. ... . ![]() Modern cards and drivers recognize when a monitor is turned off, but that doesn't help at all in this case. Monitors, of course, are set up to resolve this situation (if they have 2 or more inputs). There is always a manual setting in the monitor control panel to select which input to use. And sometimes an automatic "priority" to the highest quality input, which can be manually changed. That's a feature so that you can toggle back and forth between 2 completely different input sources. That's (partly) why I suggested that the "Identify" button be used. JamesGreystone, if you're curious, you could see what happens if you disconnect the spare cable from the monitor but leave it connected to the card. If you're lucky, everything will still be fine. |
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![]() It shows that I have 2 monitors under display settings, so I checked and I do have 2 cables connected to this one monitor. One set was for Analog and 1 was for digital. I never disconected the analog once the sytem was up and running. Figured might as well leave it connected just in case
If I disconnect the Analog cable MA3 does not show the dialog box for multiple monitors. ![]() [There was this guy who jumped at the conclusion of a mule ... but I digress] ![]() Having said that however my XP machine had the same cables connected and the box never appeared in MA3,
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