Marine Aquarium 3 Rumors and Speculation - Page 54

Jim Sachs · 01-31-2008, 09:57 AM

Screen shots might lessen the impact the first time you see if for real. I'll see what the Beta testers think.

johnblommers · 01-31-2008, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

Screen shots might lessen the impact the first time you see if for real. I'll see what the Beta testers think.

In my humble opinion, if an artistically talented person takes a 2D screen shot of a real-time 3D scene, then you get a screen shot that best represents the actual look of the product. Let the average Joe or Jane take that screenshot and it most likely won't have much impact. So Jim Sachs should be the screen shooter, or at least "papally bless" screen shots taken by the faithful beta testers.

I'd counter that a 10-second 720P screen movie made by the artist Jim Sachs would be a very good sneaky peek at MA3.

Jav400 · 01-31-2008, 10:31 AM

For those folks who have been with us since the beginning, one might believe that this beta testing is merely a formality and that Marine Aquarium 3 is almost done. It's not. The background is infinitely more complex (as seen on the various setups being tested) and there are still a lot of features that are not implemented.

It would be counterproductive to post a flat screen snapshot of MA3 at this stage because it would just lead to supposition and assumptions being made and, perhaps, disappointment, and an increase in the impatience we're already seeing. We are already getting quite a lot of e-mails from people asking to be in the beta. I know Jim is getting quite a few PMs from people.

While a video might tell the story better, I think this will just lead to frustration. MA3 just plain is not ready yet. I know people are anxious and love Jim's work, I don't blame them, I do as well. But lets not put undue requests on him.

Rob · 01-31-2008, 12:01 PM

hard to believe that I bought this screen saver so many years ago and havent had a desire to use any other screen saver since. I think .99 was my first one, cant wait to see what version 3 looks like.

Andrew Jenkins · 01-31-2008, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Rob:

hard to believe that I bought this screen saver so many years ago and havent had a desire to use any other screen saver since. I think .99 was my first one, cant wait to see what version 3 looks like.

...that sounds like a long time ago. I presume 2.6 looks quite different to how .99 looked & behaved? Presumably the hardware has also brought about some changes to how the fish look & behave also?

feldon34 · 01-31-2008, 02:35 PM

2.6 and .99k have the same hardware limitations. Most of the fish present in .99K appear in 2.6 unchanged.

In short, everything was "done right the first time".

Andrew Jenkins · 01-31-2008, 04:03 PM

I am encouraged, but still impatient

Hot · 01-31-2008, 06:50 PM

"I'd counter that a 10-second 720P screen movie made by the artist Jim Sachs would be a very good sneaky peek at MA3."

And it may be a very good sales pitch

Hot · 01-31-2008, 07:15 PM

But then agian Rembrant would not say hey guys come see what i'm almost done!!!

So take your time Jim.
Still cant wait Ron.

EVERRET · 01-31-2008, 07:41 PM

We've waited this long........

I vote No screenshots till the day or two before release, with a spoiler tag.

johnblommers · 01-31-2008, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by Hot:

But then agian Rembrant would not say hey guys come see what i'm almost done!!!

Of course not. Rembrandt was a 2D artist, Jim Sachs is a 3D artist.

Yellow Tang · 02-01-2008, 03:03 AM

Calm down everyone. Do you remember October?
He always said it is ready in October!
But now the year should be clear: 2008.

Ad_Enuff · 02-02-2008, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

Screen shots might lessen the impact the first time you see if for real. I'll see what the Beta testers think.

I don't think that's a particularly great arguement concerning screenshots, I mean how do games companies get gamers frothing at the bit for their latest game? Sceenshots didn't lessen the effect when I looked at Call of Duty 4, BIOSHOCK etc etc.....it only made me want them more.

Or of course there is YouTube if you want to use video......

Personally, I like seeing projects/games etc etc develop.

Jav400 · 02-02-2008, 08:40 AM

Game companies dont show you the whole game before it comes out either.

Ad_Enuff · 02-02-2008, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by Jav400:

Game companies dont show you the whole game before it comes out either.

Neither is Jim as its still in ALPHA.

Jim Sachs · 02-02-2008, 11:22 AM

Yes, it's still in Alpha, but a screen shot would make it look a lot more finished than it is. Most of the work still to be done is on animation and smoothing of edges, neither of which would show up in a screen shot.

I'll consider it, but I'm just afraid that screen shots would just start people hounding me for release dates.

Ad_Enuff · 02-02-2008, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

Yes, it's still in Alpha, but a screen shot would make it look a lot more finished than it is. Most of the work still to be done is on animation and smoothing of edges, neither of which would show up in a screen shot.

I'll consider it, but I'm just afraid that screen shots would just start people hounding me for release dates.

Sceenshots are screenshots, they are what they are, nothing more, nothing less. Nobody is holding you to anything Jim. If people can't read this thread from start to finish that your screensaver is still in ALPHA and not BETA yet then they deserve to be banned.

If you were to post screenshots, I'd start a separate thread and lock posting with additional notes concerning some rules of do's and don'ts.

nicksteel · 02-02-2008, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

I'll consider it, but I'm just afraid that screen shots would just start people hounding me for release dates.

or,

"Are we there yet?"
"Are we there yet?"
"Are we there yet?"
"Are we there yet?"

Jav400 · 02-02-2008, 12:05 PM

lo @ nick. Yep those are both things to definately avoid.

Ad_Enuff · 02-02-2008, 12:13 PM

As I said Jim could have done a Blog and disabled all comments on it...

"The Blog Aquatic with Jim Sachs...."

01-31-2008, 09:57 AM	#1061
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,789	Screen shots might lessen the impact the first time you see if for real. I'll see what the Beta testers think. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

01-31-2008, 10:23 AM	#1062
johnblommers The Architect Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 756	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: Screen shots might lessen the impact the first time you see if for real. I'll see what the Beta testers think. In my humble opinion, if an artistically talented person takes a 2D screen shot of a real-time 3D scene, then you get a screen shot that best represents the actual look of the product. Let the average Joe or Jane take that screenshot and it most likely won't have much impact. So Jim Sachs should be the screen shooter, or at least "papally bless" screen shots taken by the faithful beta testers. I'd counter that a 10-second 720P screen movie made by the artist Jim Sachs would be a very good sneaky peek at MA3. Reasons people don't watch Star Trek: 60% - It’s for nerds. 39% - The show’s stupid. 01% - My parents were killed by Klingons and it's still too painful.

01-31-2008, 10:31 AM	#1063
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	For those folks who have been with us since the beginning, one might believe that this beta testing is merely a formality and that Marine Aquarium 3 is almost done. It's not. The background is infinitely more complex (as seen on the various setups being tested) and there are still a lot of features that are not implemented. It would be counterproductive to post a flat screen snapshot of MA3 at this stage because it would just lead to supposition and assumptions being made and, perhaps, disappointment, and an increase in the impatience we're already seeing. We are already getting quite a lot of e-mails from people asking to be in the beta. I know Jim is getting quite a few PMs from people. While a video might tell the story better, I think this will just lead to frustration. MA3 just plain is not ready yet. I know people are anxious and love Jim's work, I don't blame them, I do as well. But lets not put undue requests on him. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

01-31-2008, 02:35 PM	#1066
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	2.6 and .99k have the same hardware limitations. Most of the fish present in .99K appear in 2.6 unchanged. In short, everything was "done right the first time". "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

01-31-2008, 08:47 PM	#1071
johnblommers The Architect Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 756	Originally posted by Hot: But then agian Rembrant would not say hey guys come see what i'm almost done!!! Of course not. Rembrandt was a 2D artist, Jim Sachs is a 3D artist. Reasons people don't watch Star Trek: 60% - It’s for nerds. 39% - The show’s stupid. 01% - My parents were killed by Klingons and it's still too painful.

01-31-2008, 12:01 PM	#1064
Rob Registered Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 33	hard to believe that I bought this screen saver so many years ago and havent had a desire to use any other screen saver since. I think .99 was my first one, cant wait to see what version 3 looks like.

01-31-2008, 02:30 PM	#1065
Andrew Jenkins Registered Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: London Posts: 18	Originally posted by Rob: hard to believe that I bought this screen saver so many years ago and havent had a desire to use any other screen saver since. I think .99 was my first one, cant wait to see what version 3 looks like. ...that sounds like a long time ago. I presume 2.6 looks quite different to how .99 looked & behaved? Presumably the hardware has also brought about some changes to how the fish look & behave also?

01-31-2008, 04:03 PM	#1067
Andrew Jenkins Registered Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: London Posts: 18	I am encouraged, but still impatient

01-31-2008, 06:50 PM	#1068
Hot Registered Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 17	"I'd counter that a 10-second 720P screen movie made by the artist Jim Sachs would be a very good sneaky peek at MA3." And it may be a very good sales pitch

01-31-2008, 07:15 PM	#1069
Hot Registered Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 17	But then agian Rembrant would not say hey guys come see what i'm almost done!!! So take your time Jim. Still cant wait Ron.

01-31-2008, 07:41 PM	#1070
EVERRET Leopard Shark Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: california Posts: 115	We've waited this long........ I vote No screenshots till the day or two before release, with a spoiler tag.

02-01-2008, 03:03 AM	#1072
Yellow Tang YT Join Date: Jan 2002 Tournaments Won: 1 Location: Germany Posts: 729	Calm down everyone. Do you remember October? He always said it is ready in October! But now the year should be clear: 2008.

02-02-2008, 03:26 AM	#1073
Ad_Enuff Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 99	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: Screen shots might lessen the impact the first time you see if for real. I'll see what the Beta testers think. I don't think that's a particularly great arguement concerning screenshots, I mean how do games companies get gamers frothing at the bit for their latest game? Sceenshots didn't lessen the effect when I looked at Call of Duty 4, BIOSHOCK etc etc.....it only made me want them more. Or of course there is YouTube if you want to use video...... Personally, I like seeing projects/games etc etc develop. AMD Ryzen 5 2600X, 3600.0 MHz, 16Gb DDR4 RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti, 4Gb RAM, Windows 10 PRO 64Bit

02-02-2008, 08:40 AM	#1074
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Game companies dont show you the whole game before it comes out either. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

02-02-2008, 10:03 AM	#1075
Ad_Enuff Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 99	Originally posted by Jav400: Game companies dont show you the whole game before it comes out either. Neither is Jim as its still in ALPHA. AMD Ryzen 5 2600X, 3600.0 MHz, 16Gb DDR4 RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti, 4Gb RAM, Windows 10 PRO 64Bit

02-02-2008, 11:22 AM	#1076
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,789	Yes, it's still in Alpha, but a screen shot would make it look a lot more finished than it is. Most of the work still to be done is on animation and smoothing of edges, neither of which would show up in a screen shot. I'll consider it, but I'm just afraid that screen shots would just start people hounding me for release dates. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-02-2008, 11:40 AM	#1077
Ad_Enuff Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 99	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: Yes, it's still in Alpha, but a screen shot would make it look a lot more finished than it is. Most of the work still to be done is on animation and smoothing of edges, neither of which would show up in a screen shot. I'll consider it, but I'm just afraid that screen shots would just start people hounding me for release dates. Sceenshots are screenshots, they are what they are, nothing more, nothing less. Nobody is holding you to anything Jim. If people can't read this thread from start to finish that your screensaver is still in ALPHA and not BETA yet then they deserve to be banned. If you were to post screenshots, I'd start a separate thread and lock posting with additional notes concerning some rules of do's and don'ts. AMD Ryzen 5 2600X, 3600.0 MHz, 16Gb DDR4 RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti, 4Gb RAM, Windows 10 PRO 64Bit

02-02-2008, 11:56 AM	#1078
nicksteel Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Mississippi (and no, I don't watch FOX!) Posts: 244	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: I'll consider it, but I'm just afraid that screen shots would just start people hounding me for release dates. or, "Are we there yet?" "Are we there yet?" "Are we there yet?" "Are we there yet?"

02-02-2008, 12:05 PM	#1079
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	lo @ nick. Yep those are both things to definately avoid. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

02-02-2008, 12:13 PM	#1080
Ad_Enuff Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 99	As I said Jim could have done a Blog and disabled all comments on it... "The Blog Aquatic with Jim Sachs...." AMD Ryzen 5 2600X, 3600.0 MHz, 16Gb DDR4 RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti, 4Gb RAM, Windows 10 PRO 64Bit