Wishlist for Marine Aquarium 3 and Future - Page 56

KeyOh · 06-21-2004, 12:14 PM

Isn't this a wish list post?
You don't have to get mad, just because a new guy, comes with a new point of view. It's only suggestions. No need to get upset.

What I didn't like was that feldon28 actually applied I had a psychological problem. Many of the most famous writers in the world, focused a lot of their writing on suffering and death. William Shakespeare is one of them. Personally I wouldn't call any of them psychos.

Anyway, you talk about realism. Realism isn't only the good sides of reality. In fear of getting this forums hate object number one =), I just have to say:
In reality fish does crap. Why work against it when you can embrace it?

If what your trying to, is to make a realistic aquarium, you can't just look past things that maybe isn't a fantasy world.

Another thing. If you watch a fish closely, you will see it's actually making small bubbles from time to time.

And again I don't think a wish list thread is the place for personal attacks. Come with constructive criticism instead.

Surferminn · 06-21-2004, 12:39 PM

Hi KeyOh - Welcome back to the forum. Glad you came back. These guys are usually a very hospitable and welcoming group of folks. Think they might have nibbled on some bad seaweed floating around somewhere here this morning. Thank you for your ideas and input. Several of your ideas have already been mentioned numerous times by enthusiastic fans such as yourself and listed on a FAQ at the beginning of this Forum, and a few I haven't heard of before. I haven't read all 55 pages of this wishlist thread yet. I particularly like your idea about the acceleration of fish when it gets startled to make it more real. and that much of your ideas are geared towards making it more real altho I expect that might entail so much memory that maybe only the hi techie folks could afford the system to see it (guessing as I'm no techie). Please feel free to visit our other threads to see other thoughts on the aquarium.

___________
Minn

feldon34 · 06-21-2004, 01:29 PM

"Embrace Fish Crap" = The next hot bumper sticker.

KeyOh,

Now you're comparing yourself with William Shakespeare?

I think that with therapy, the art can be lost with the sickness. It is hard to sing the Blues with a few million in the bank (although B.B. King does a good job

). I am not comparing art with the scatological requests people keep posting. Cutting off your ear is passion, but fish poop?

SereneScreen means SERENE. No cleanup, no dead fish. Some of your other suggestions are very good and are already in consideration.

I guess it is a sign of our society that Ben Stiller's bathroom humor "Dodgeball" beat the Spielberg/Hanks dramedy "The Terminal" and Disney's "Around the World in 80 Days" over the weekend. People really DO want farting fish.

Jav400 · 06-21-2004, 01:37 PM

Keyoh,

In response to your previous post:

* You should be able to edit the aquarium
- insert logs, stones, even small "sunken" ships, and of course plants

This will not happen. In the first place Jim doesn't want his work to end up being degraded and looking horrible just because someone wants theirs to look that way, so people being able to edit it is out. Next this is a saltwater aquarium, not freshwater, so sunken ships, plants, logs, stones, do not fit and are not used in real saltwater aquariums, also out.

* The depth of the aquarium should be more visible
- Fish swimming straight against the screen

The fish swimming is totally random, not preplanned, so they swim where they want too.

* Fish should move at different speeds
- In real life, a fish will accelerate fast to high speed, if it gets freighted, would be a nice touch

planned for the future

As far as the other things you mentioned you cannot create 3D objects on the fly, so allot of those are out by default. The purpose of this aquarium is geared towards realism, but it is not intended as a simulator. Jim wants to capture all the good things about having an aquarium without having to deal with all the bad things. If you want a simulation with feeding, dying, fighting and so on, you will have to look elsewhere.

By the way, Welcome to the Forum.

Marian Nichols · 06-21-2004, 03:51 PM

People really DO want farting fish.

__________________

No we don't, besides I don't believe they can do it.

ESHIREY · 06-21-2004, 03:54 PM

Yes they do . Weird you know it . I know a few people that would want it .

raven · 06-21-2004, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by Marian Nichols
People really DO want farting fish.

__________________

No we don't, besides I don't believe they can do it.

Yes, with cute miniature bubble columns

GreenHsiF · 06-21-2004, 08:12 PM

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GreenHsiF · 06-21-2004, 08:14 PM

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GreenHsiF · 06-21-2004, 08:16 PM

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ESHIREY · 06-21-2004, 08:19 PM

Those pic's are awesome . Great job .

Tiny Turtle · 06-22-2004, 01:31 AM

Jav,
The current arbitrarity of the fish swim pattern lacks a bit as the fish mostly swim in a left-right direction, not diagonally really. This due to the current nature of the slitted 2D background (as i typed up in my answer to KeyOh four or five posts before you).

There are a some smart remarks here by people who entered the forum foot-in-mouth in similar style when not bothering to read anything before posting...

KeyOh,
I didn't really like that psycho-joke by Morgan myself, but that famous writers stuff isn't the way to go. Just because some famous writers were committed to mental institutions dosn't mean everyone committed to a mental institiution is a potential world class writer...

/Tiny Alienist

cjmaddy · 06-22-2004, 03:25 AM

Oh no! - not the return of the phantom carrots! - I don't think I can face any more!

Sorry Ed and GreenHsiF, . ....... To each his own!

drfish · 06-22-2004, 03:55 AM

Where are those pictures coming from anyway???

Marian Nichols · 06-22-2004, 04:43 AM

Originally posted by Tiny Turtle
Jav,
There are a some smart remarks here by people who entered the forum foot-in-mouth in similar style when not bothering to read anything before posting...

KeyOh,
I didn't really like that psycho-joke by Morgan myself, but that famous writers stuff isn't the way to go. Just because some famous writers were committed to mental institutions dosn't mean everyone committed to a mental institiution is a potential world class writer...

/Tiny Alienist

Darn, now you tell me.

Jav400 · 06-22-2004, 05:22 AM

You mean I am supposed to actually read your posts tiny? hrmph, who knew..............

ESHIREY · 06-22-2004, 07:35 AM

Hey Cliff , That's ok . I just meant the fish . Not the carrot .

cjmaddy · 06-22-2004, 07:41 AM

Jim Sachs · 06-22-2004, 08:57 AM

To repeat what DrFish asked - Where are these pics coming from? If it's from a public-domain source, that six-bar angel might be a usable texture.

grape_jellyfish · 06-22-2004, 09:02 AM

I found another picture of the same fish here
http://store6.yimg.com/I/marinedepotlive_1794_188322

06-21-2004, 01:29 PM	#1103
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	"Embrace Fish Crap" = The next hot bumper sticker. KeyOh, Now you're comparing yourself with William Shakespeare? I think that with therapy, the art can be lost with the sickness. It is hard to sing the Blues with a few million in the bank (although B.B. King does a good job ). I am not comparing art with the scatological requests people keep posting. Cutting off your ear is passion, but fish poop? SereneScreen means SERENE. No cleanup, no dead fish. Some of your other suggestions are very good and are already in consideration. I guess it is a sign of our society that Ben Stiller's bathroom humor "Dodgeball" beat the Spielberg/Hanks dramedy "The Terminal" and Disney's "Around the World in 80 Days" over the weekend. People really DO want farting fish. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-21-2004, 01:37 PM	#1104
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Keyoh, In response to your previous post: * You should be able to edit the aquarium - insert logs, stones, even small "sunken" ships, and of course plants This will not happen. In the first place Jim doesn't want his work to end up being degraded and looking horrible just because someone wants theirs to look that way, so people being able to edit it is out. Next this is a saltwater aquarium, not freshwater, so sunken ships, plants, logs, stones, do not fit and are not used in real saltwater aquariums, also out. * The depth of the aquarium should be more visible - Fish swimming straight against the screen The fish swimming is totally random, not preplanned, so they swim where they want too. * Fish should move at different speeds - In real life, a fish will accelerate fast to high speed, if it gets freighted, would be a nice touch planned for the future As far as the other things you mentioned you cannot create 3D objects on the fly, so allot of those are out by default. The purpose of this aquarium is geared towards realism, but it is not intended as a simulator. Jim wants to capture all the good things about having an aquarium without having to deal with all the bad things. If you want a simulation with feeding, dying, fighting and so on, you will have to look elsewhere. By the way, Welcome to the Forum. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

06-21-2004, 03:54 PM	#1106
ESHIREY Smilie Dragon Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 4,725	Yes they do . Weird you know it . I know a few people that would want it . Thank you for taking the time to read this.

06-21-2004, 04:57 PM	#1107
raven Perculiar Clownfish Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 147	Originally posted by Marian Nichols People really DO want farting fish. __________________ No we don't, besides I don't believe they can do it. Yes, with cute miniature bubble columns Remi

06-21-2004, 08:19 PM	#1111
ESHIREY Smilie Dragon Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 4,725	Those pic's are awesome . Great job . Thank you for taking the time to read this.

06-21-2004, 12:14 PM	#1101
KeyOh Registered Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2	Isn't this a wish list post? You don't have to get mad, just because a new guy, comes with a new point of view. It's only suggestions. No need to get upset. What I didn't like was that feldon28 actually applied I had a psychological problem. Many of the most famous writers in the world, focused a lot of their writing on suffering and death. William Shakespeare is one of them. Personally I wouldn't call any of them psychos. Anyway, you talk about realism. Realism isn't only the good sides of reality. In fear of getting this forums hate object number one =), I just have to say: In reality fish does crap. Why work against it when you can embrace it? If what your trying to, is to make a realistic aquarium, you can't just look past things that maybe isn't a fantasy world. Another thing. If you watch a fish closely, you will see it's actually making small bubbles from time to time. And again I don't think a wish list thread is the place for personal attacks. Come with constructive criticism instead.

06-21-2004, 12:39 PM	#1102
Surferminn Senior Puddle Jumper Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: California Posts: 6,017	Hi KeyOh - Welcome back to the forum. Glad you came back. These guys are usually a very hospitable and welcoming group of folks. Think they might have nibbled on some bad seaweed floating around somewhere here this morning. Thank you for your ideas and input. Several of your ideas have already been mentioned numerous times by enthusiastic fans such as yourself and listed on a FAQ at the beginning of this Forum, and a few I haven't heard of before. I haven't read all 55 pages of this wishlist thread yet. I particularly like your idea about the acceleration of fish when it gets startled to make it more real. and that much of your ideas are geared towards making it more real altho I expect that might entail so much memory that maybe only the hi techie folks could afford the system to see it (guessing as I'm no techie). Please feel free to visit our other threads to see other thoughts on the aquarium. ___________ Minn

06-21-2004, 03:51 PM	#1105
Marian Nichols ~Author~ Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rocky Mount, NC Posts: 7,429	People really DO want farting fish. __________________ No we don't, besides I don't believe they can do it.

06-22-2004, 01:31 AM	#1112
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Jav, The current arbitrarity of the fish swim pattern lacks a bit as the fish mostly swim in a left-right direction, not diagonally really. This due to the current nature of the slitted 2D background (as i typed up in my answer to KeyOh four or five posts before you). There are a some smart remarks here by people who entered the forum foot-in-mouth in similar style when not bothering to read anything before posting... KeyOh, I didn't really like that psycho-joke by Morgan myself, but that famous writers stuff isn't the way to go. Just because some famous writers were committed to mental institutions dosn't mean everyone committed to a mental institiution is a potential world class writer... /Tiny Alienist Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

06-22-2004, 03:25 AM	#1113
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Oh no! - not the return of the phantom carrots! - I don't think I can face any more! Sorry Ed and GreenHsiF, . ....... To each his own!

06-22-2004, 03:55 AM	#1114
drfish the Doc Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Zeeland, MI Posts: 5,357	Where are those pictures coming from anyway??? I don't watch commercials.

06-22-2004, 04:43 AM	#1115
Marian Nichols ~Author~ Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rocky Mount, NC Posts: 7,429	Originally posted by Tiny Turtle Jav, There are a some smart remarks here by people who entered the forum foot-in-mouth in similar style when not bothering to read anything before posting... KeyOh, I didn't really like that psycho-joke by Morgan myself, but that famous writers stuff isn't the way to go. Just because some famous writers were committed to mental institutions dosn't mean everyone committed to a mental institiution is a potential world class writer... /Tiny Alienist Darn, now you tell me.

06-22-2004, 05:22 AM	#1116
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	You mean I am supposed to actually read your posts tiny? hrmph, who knew.............. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

06-22-2004, 07:35 AM	#1117
ESHIREY Smilie Dragon Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 4,725	Hey Cliff , That's ok . I just meant the fish . Not the carrot . Thank you for taking the time to read this.

06-22-2004, 07:41 AM	#1118
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854

06-22-2004, 08:57 AM	#1119
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	To repeat what DrFish asked - Where are these pics coming from? If it's from a public-domain source, that six-bar angel might be a usable texture. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

06-22-2004, 09:02 AM	#1120
grape_jellyfish Registered Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,235	I found another picture of the same fish here http://store6.yimg.com/I/marinedepotlive_1794_188322 Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass....It's learning to Dance in the Rain.