Marine Aquarium 3 Rumors and Speculation - Page 59

cjmaddy · 02-14-2008, 07:57 AM

Leon,

The only ETA you will find anywhere, is 'October' ... year unspecified!

..... (That's an 'in joke' on this forum that's been going on since time began! )

Jim Sachs · 02-14-2008, 10:35 AM

Leon - However long it takes to do the collision detection routines, add two more objects to the background, and create user interfaces. At that point it will switch from Alpha status to Beta, and testing can be opened up to all registered owners.

Dabombguyman · 02-14-2008, 12:37 PM

When 3.0 comes out will you be able to just pop in an old CD and get the whole update free or will you have to buy a new code for an extra price?

Jim Sachs · 02-14-2008, 12:40 PM

We're considering a $5 upgrade.

Dabombguyman · 02-14-2008, 12:41 PM

Dang.

im_canadian · 02-14-2008, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

We're considering a $5 upgrade.

Didn't we just pay $6 for two new fish?

cjmaddy · 02-14-2008, 12:50 PM

So, for the results of all these years and years of hard work, and a completely different program, - you want to pay nothing?

Dabombguyman · 02-14-2008, 12:51 PM

Not if we've already payed.

Dabombguyman · 02-14-2008, 12:54 PM

Although I see you're point. If 2.0 and 3.0 came out at the same time, 3.0 would still be more expensive. Sorry if I sounded like a jack ***.

cjmaddy · 02-14-2008, 12:57 PM

MA3 is, a completely different program - No one has paid anything for any part of it, ... yet!

..... except Jim, - in blood and sweat! ...

Dabombguyman · 02-14-2008, 01:02 PM

Now I see where you're coming from. Even though it's new everything, it's still serene scene marine aquarium, a newer version of the same thing.

Unless you think of it more like a series instead of an update.

Jim Sachs · 02-14-2008, 01:11 PM

So, I shouldn't have to pay anything for a new Canon S5, because I bought a Canon S3 a few years ago.

Dabombguyman · 02-14-2008, 01:13 PM

So this isn't just an update, it's like halo3 to halo2.

Once again, sorry if I sound like a jack ***.

Wizwad · 02-14-2008, 01:16 PM

Cliff, Dabombguyman,

You're both right. MA3 will have been written fresh from the ground up, but if one buys a program version x and then a month later program x+1 is released, one might feel agrieved about the extra cost.

However, in this case, there's no knowing, yet, of exactly when MA3 will be ready, so the comparison might not apply. After all, as a different comparison, we know that MS is working on the next version of its OS, but one wouldn't expect to receive that next version without making an extra payment, even though we know it's in development right now.

(BTW, I'm not comparing the complexity here, just the principle!

)

Yodelking · 02-14-2008, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Wizwad:

(BTW, I'm not comparing the complexity, here, just the principle!

)

No, we all know that Jim puts more efforts into MA...

Jim Sachs · 02-14-2008, 01:28 PM

As far as the cost of the upgrade, several months ago I lowered the price of MA2.6 by $5, so that people wouldn't feel cheated to pay the $5 upgrade when MA3 comes out. MA2.6 will continue to be sold, for those whose machines can't handle 3.0.

But yes, it's a whole different program. Every line of code was re-written, and all new objects were created for the tank. It represents four years of work, and thousands of man-hours.

Regarding the Halo comparison, isn't there a monthly charge for online gaming? If I got $10 per month from all the SereneScreen users, I'd gladly make all the upgrades free.

ESHIREY · 02-14-2008, 03:43 PM

Yes there is. If you play on line with a 360 you got to pay. That's why the PS3 is the better to play. It's free on line gaming.

Jim Sachs · 02-14-2008, 04:38 PM

True story: A few years ago, I had to pay FULL PRICE to see Star Wars: Episode 3, when I had already paid to see Star Wars: Episode 2, just ONE YEAR BEFORE!

Sure, it was a whole different movie, but the names were almost the same!

johnblommers · 02-14-2008, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

True story: A few years ago, I had to pay FULL PRICE to see Star Wars: Episode 3, when I had already paid to see Star Wars: Episode 2, just ONE YEAR BEFORE!

You should have waited for the Mac port of the movie, Jim ;-)

Halo 3? Halo 2? Heck I'm still playing Halo 1 on the Mac.

A pattern emerges ....

str8edge · 02-14-2008, 08:47 PM

I was lucky enough to get 2.6 as a free upgrade. I'd be happy to spend $10 or so for version 3. I'd like to see a "multiple computer" type upgrade so I can run it on both of my windows boxes....

The way I see it, Jim should be able to make a decent living of MA. He's spent a lot of time developing it. I think its amazing how many computer stores I have been in that use MA as a demo to show off their computers.

My 1.5 year old daughter saw the fish program running in Costco... A few months later she pulled a copy of the program off the shelf, and we've been running it ever since. She's 4 now....

David

02-14-2008, 10:35 AM	#1162
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,794	Leon - However long it takes to do the collision detection routines, add two more objects to the background, and create user interfaces. At that point it will switch from Alpha status to Beta, and testing can be opened up to all registered owners. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-14-2008, 12:40 PM	#1164
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,794	We're considering a $5 upgrade. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-14-2008, 01:11 PM	#1172
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,794	So, I shouldn't have to pay anything for a new Canon S5, because I bought a Canon S3 a few years ago. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-14-2008, 01:16 PM	#1174
Wizwad Only me... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 2,584	Cliff, Dabombguyman, You're both right. MA3 will have been written fresh from the ground up, but if one buys a program version x and then a month later program x+1 is released, one might feel agrieved about the extra cost. However, in this case, there's no knowing, yet, of exactly when MA3 will be ready, so the comparison might not apply. After all, as a different comparison, we know that MS is working on the next version of its OS, but one wouldn't expect to receive that next version without making an extra payment, even though we know it's in development right now. (BTW, I'm not comparing the complexity here, just the principle! ) Mark ----------- Intel i7 12700K \| Aorus Z690 Pro \| Corsair DDR5 5600 32GB \| Asus Dual RTX3060ti 6GB v2 Mini OC \| Corsair RM850 Gold PSU \| 1TB NVMe M.2 WD Black SN850 \| 4TB Seagate BarraCuda HDD \| Corsair Airflow 5000D Case \| HP 32QHD 4K Monitor \| Windows 11 x64 Professional Last edited by Wizwad; 02-14-2008 at 05:14 PM.

02-14-2008, 01:24 PM	#1175
Yodelking yodeler Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Staffanstorp, Sweden Posts: 294	Originally posted by Wizwad: (BTW, I'm not comparing the complexity, here, just the principle! ) No, we all know that Jim puts more efforts into MA... Yodelking - För god att kolsyra!

02-14-2008, 07:57 AM	#1161
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Leon, The only ETA you will find anywhere, is 'October' ... year unspecified! ..... (That's an 'in joke' on this forum that's been going on since time began! )

02-14-2008, 12:37 PM	#1163
Dabombguyman Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 21	When 3.0 comes out will you be able to just pop in an old CD and get the whole update free or will you have to buy a new code for an extra price?

02-14-2008, 12:41 PM	#1165
Dabombguyman Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 21	Dang.

02-14-2008, 12:47 PM	#1166
im_canadian Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 8	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: We're considering a $5 upgrade. Didn't we just pay $6 for two new fish?

02-14-2008, 12:50 PM	#1167
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	So, for the results of all these years and years of hard work, and a completely different program, - you want to pay nothing?

02-14-2008, 12:51 PM	#1168
Dabombguyman Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 21	Not if we've already payed.

02-14-2008, 12:54 PM	#1169
Dabombguyman Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 21	Although I see you're point. If 2.0 and 3.0 came out at the same time, 3.0 would still be more expensive. Sorry if I sounded like a jack ***.

02-14-2008, 12:57 PM	#1170
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	MA3 is, a completely different program - No one has paid anything for any part of it, ... yet! ..... except Jim, - in blood and sweat! ...

02-14-2008, 01:02 PM	#1171
Dabombguyman Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 21	Now I see where you're coming from. Even though it's new everything, it's still serene scene marine aquarium, a newer version of the same thing. Unless you think of it more like a series instead of an update.

02-14-2008, 01:13 PM	#1173
Dabombguyman Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 21	So this isn't just an update, it's like halo3 to halo2. Once again, sorry if I sound like a jack ***.

02-14-2008, 01:28 PM	#1176
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,794	As far as the cost of the upgrade, several months ago I lowered the price of MA2.6 by $5, so that people wouldn't feel cheated to pay the $5 upgrade when MA3 comes out. MA2.6 will continue to be sold, for those whose machines can't handle 3.0. But yes, it's a whole different program. Every line of code was re-written, and all new objects were created for the tank. It represents four years of work, and thousands of man-hours. Regarding the Halo comparison, isn't there a monthly charge for online gaming? If I got $10 per month from all the SereneScreen users, I'd gladly make all the upgrades free. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium Last edited by Jim Sachs; 02-14-2008 at 05:58 PM.

02-14-2008, 03:43 PM	#1177
ESHIREY Smilie Dragon Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 4,725	Yes there is. If you play on line with a 360 you got to pay. That's why the PS3 is the better to play. It's free on line gaming. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

02-14-2008, 04:38 PM	#1178
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,794	True story: A few years ago, I had to pay FULL PRICE to see Star Wars: Episode 3, when I had already paid to see Star Wars: Episode 2, just ONE YEAR BEFORE! Sure, it was a whole different movie, but the names were almost the same! Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium Last edited by Jim Sachs; 02-14-2008 at 05:57 PM.

02-14-2008, 05:11 PM	#1179
johnblommers The Architect Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 756	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: True story: A few years ago, I had to pay FULL PRICE to see Star Wars: Episode 3, when I had already paid to see Star Wars: Episode 2, just ONE YEAR BEFORE! You should have waited for the Mac port of the movie, Jim ;-) Halo 3? Halo 2? Heck I'm still playing Halo 1 on the Mac. A pattern emerges .... Reasons people don't watch Star Trek: 60% - It’s for nerds. 39% - The show’s stupid. 01% - My parents were killed by Klingons and it's still too painful.

02-14-2008, 08:47 PM	#1180
str8edge Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2	Paying for an upgrade?? I was lucky enough to get 2.6 as a free upgrade. I'd be happy to spend $10 or so for version 3. I'd like to see a "multiple computer" type upgrade so I can run it on both of my windows boxes.... The way I see it, Jim should be able to make a decent living of MA. He's spent a lot of time developing it. I think its amazing how many computer stores I have been in that use MA as a demo to show off their computers. My 1.5 year old daughter saw the fish program running in Costco... A few months later she pulled a copy of the program off the shelf, and we've been running it ever since. She's 4 now.... David