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#101 |
Servant of Zool
Join Date: Jun 2009
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How about trying to run MA3 in a sandbox? There are free ones that work with Windows. Not tried them myself but it's just a thought.
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#102 |
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Location: Southern Oregon
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The bubble sound is a simple looping wave (.wav) file.
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#103 |
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Western Missouri
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![]() Just as another data point - I too get no bubble sounds or music in MA3. I have checked a half dozen different XP (x32) and Windows 7 (x64) machines and none of them have a file type association set for .sgt files.
I can play .mp3 and other known file types by selecting them in the MA3 config window. ![]() However - I'm glad (I think) to see one more example of MA3 that doesn't play the default music and bubble sounds. That increases the chance of diagnosis. Terry, do you not get the sounds on XP systems, or is the silence only on Windows 7 (X64)? I suppose there is some chance that this might be "edition" specific. I'm hearing MA3 sounds OK on W7 Ultimate (X86 and X64) and W7 Home Premium (X64). Perhaps Terry and garybebee could state what edition of W7 they are using, just to complete the record? |
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#104 |
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: NYC
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![]() Terry, do you not get the sounds on XP systems, or is the silence only on Windows 7 (X64)?
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I suppose there is some chance that this might be "edition" specific. I'm hearing MA3 sounds OK on W7 Ultimate (X86 and X64) and W7 Home Premium (X64). Perhaps Terry and garybebee could state what edition of W7 they are using, just to complete the record?
I'm using Ultimate x64. The 2 W7 systems I have both have Asus Xonar audio cards (2 different models). I have not encountered any other cases where audio doesn't play on these systems.Windows is up-to-date w/ updates, as is DirectX. I have no error'd devices in Device Manager. |
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#105 |
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Victoria Australia
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https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...highlight=flip
Seeing I started this monster I finally got my own selected music going its here some where. It sounds complected but it is actually easy once you understand it all. Its a definite copy and print out to make it easy. As far as any sound is concerned I had to install a special program after I had a new sound card/chip installed. I will try to locate that site and either edit it in or make a new reply. Sorry no luck Keith ![]() ![]() |
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#106 |
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Western Missouri
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flip, your original problem is not the same as garybebee and Terry are reporting.
![]() As far as any sound is concerned I had to install a special program after I had a new sound card/chip installed.
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#107 |
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Western Missouri
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Terry and gary bebee - just to complete the "picture" - there is one question that I don't think has been posed yet.
With MA3 running, what happens when you: Press the M key (this is supposed to toggle the music). Press the B key (this is supposed to toggle the bubble sound). Probably nothing, but I'm grasping at straws. |
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#108 |
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![]() With MA3 running, what happens when you:
Press the M key (this is supposed to toggle the music). Press the B key (this is supposed to toggle the bubble sound). ![]() If I select an MP3 from the "Music Playlist" menu, M turns it on and off. |
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#109 |
Sugar Plum Fairy
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Toronto
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It would be no problem at all for me to record canonguitar as an mp3 and post it to my skydrive (with Jim's permission of course), and I could record a 10 minute span of bubble sound too (which would be better than a short loop with lots of breaks, and would need permission as well). You could ony play one or the other, but for now at least it would be a workaround.
Run you clever boy. And remember...
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#110 |
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Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Lancashire, UK
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There's one here....
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#111 |
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Toronto
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Thanks Cliff. You must have a great memory to know where all these previous posts are, not just here but on DA as well.
Run you clever boy. And remember...
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#112 |
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I sometimes have to make extensive use of the search options...
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#113 |
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Western Missouri
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![]() No change to sound from either (with stock music). Both successfully check / uncheck the relevant boxes in the "Program Settings" menu when pressed.
If I select an MP3 from the "Music Playlist" menu, M turns it on and off. ![]() http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en That's DirectX 8.1: DirectMusic Producer You'll see from the download page that it's from 2001. It "should not" mess up anything currently on your computer, because it's earlier stuff. It did not mess up anything on my computer (as far as I can tell) when I installed it. YMMV, of course. |
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#114 |
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Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Southern Oregon
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Forgive me if I missed some posts, but please refresh my memory. Do other MIDI pieces play (by simply clicking on them)? Do .WAV files play? Are there MIDI drivers listed in the Music section of DXDIAG (Microsoft MIDI Mapper, for example)?
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#115 |
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![]() Forgive me if I missed some posts, but please refresh my memory. Do other MIDI pieces play (by simply clicking on them)? Do .WAV files play? Are there MIDI drivers listed in the Music section of DXDIAG (Microsoft MIDI Mapper, for example)?
![]() There is no "Music" section in my DxDIAG. Under DirectShow Filters I have: Code:
MIDI Parser,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7600.16490 Code:
Midi Renderers: Default MidiOut Device,0x00800000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7600.16490 Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7600.16490 MPU-401,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7600.16490 Remember, I have no bubble sound either, so this is more likely a DirectX thing rather than a MIDI one. |
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#116 |
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![]() Not a big surprise. OK, here's another "straw"
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#117 |
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Western Missouri
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![]() Forgive me if I missed some posts, but please refresh my memory. Do other MIDI pieces play (by simply clicking on them)? Do .WAV files play? Are there MIDI drivers listed in the Music section of DXDIAG (Microsoft MIDI Mapper, for example)?
![]() As I reported, all of my several W7 systems work fine with MA3 CanonGuitar.sgt and bubble sound. None of them have add-on sound cards. They all rely on the on-board audio. HOWEVER Note that Terry has an added high-end sound card (Asus Xonar), and garybebee may also have an add-on sound card. The report shows (in part) ![]() Description: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Playback: Yes Default Voice Playback: Yes Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0888&SUBSYS_103C2A86&REV_1002 Manufacturer ID: 1 Product ID: 100 Type: WDM Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys Driver Version: 6.00.0001.5910 (English) Driver Attributes: Final Retail ![]() I'm confident that Terry has the latest drivers, and perhaps garybebee (confirmation invited). It appears to me that MA3's included sounds do not work with (some) sound cards or some chips or drivers. And if that diagnosis is correct, it probably says that folks who want excellent audio can't hear bubbles. This may be only a Windows 7 artifact (or may not), but that does not minimize the problem. Although only a few people are affected, that seems to be either a very significant bug, or a system limitation that needs to be documented. |
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#118 |
Developer
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Southern Oregon
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So your DXDIAG doesn't look like this?
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#120 |
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Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Southern Oregon
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Hmm, I see that mine is DXDIAG 5, and yours is 6. I wonder why they chose to cripple it.
Anyway, I'm out of ideas. It looks like the only way to diagnose this would be for it to happen on my machine during a debug session. That would mean a new computer and W7, neither of which will be happening anytime soon.
Jim Sachs
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