Marine Aquarium 3 Rumors and Speculation - Page 6

Jav400 · 09-19-2006, 06:52 PM

Oh, well..........erm.......uh........ I'm sure that this deserves some kind of comment.

Would "Best of Luck" suffice??

Surferminn · 09-20-2006, 01:14 AM

Okay, here are 3 more Mandarin Goby videos:

goby2 - This one is not as good a quality(due to compression and distant/focus) but it does demonstrate the goby's behavior habit of grazing among the rocks and coral ignoring the other fishes. While most other fishes are swimming in the water space, periodically going to the coral for food or temporary shelter, the goby tended to hang out in the rocks and coral rather than swim in the water space.

goby3 - This one clearly shows the 2 breathing gills on the goby's shoulder even better than the first one and it's habit of grazing on the rocks by scooting up little bit at a time.

goby4 - This one shows another angle of the goby. After it dives to the bottom and forages among the gravel, when it comes up, watch it spit out gravel from it's mouth and return to coral grazing.

In all three videos above and others, the goby consistently keeps it's dorsal fin down. It does not seem to have its dorsal fin up on a regular basis.

Tiny Turtle · 09-20-2006, 02:09 AM

Thanks, Minnie. Great vids. Amazing how he struts his stuff like that in #1. Very cool.

Y'know, the single most anticipated feature in 3.0 will be individual behaviour. Hi-res models/textures mean little compared to if the fish start exploring their little reef and so. IMHO, of course!

/Tiny Will of Their Own

jleslie · 09-20-2006, 06:44 AM

What's interesting to me about the videos, especially #2, is that there is clearly some water flow through the tank, and the fish and scenery are reacting to it. Definitely livens things up! Jim??!??

John

feldon34 · 09-20-2006, 07:08 AM

I'm not "Jim??!??", but Jim has wanted to have moving corals since 2000.

Jim Sachs · 09-20-2006, 10:49 AM

Yes, that's pretty much the whole point of 3.0.

Minnie - did you take those videos? If so, where?

cjmaddy · 09-20-2006, 11:08 AM

Great videos, Minn. - I've only just got around to viewing them!

Jav400 · 09-20-2006, 12:03 PM

How are you liking that faster speed now Cliff? Makes life much easier for things like this.

cjmaddy · 09-20-2006, 01:51 PM

It's great! - I tend to forget that it's now no problem to look at videos.

Jav400 · 09-20-2006, 02:37 PM

Cliff,
See, the force has absorbed you already. Or maybe you have been assimilated, take your pick.

On another note, Nick here is a photo of the walking shark you were talking about the other day. I have yet to find anything of the other species found.

Any opinions Jim? A small one might look nice, but I have no idea of the movement, that part might be a bit of problem. I haven't found any videos of that yet.

jleslie · 09-20-2006, 02:42 PM

Rather than the corals, what impressed me was the way the fish used the currents as part of their movement, doing things that only work if the water pushes them the correct way in addition to their movement. I see this all the time in the wild, but only just thought how much realism it would add to a virtual aquarium... you can't see the current, but can infer it from the fish...
John

Jav400 · 09-20-2006, 05:39 PM

OK Jim I just found a video, its not a very good one, but at least you can see the movement. And he is definately walking.

Walking Shark

Surferminn · 09-20-2006, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

Yes, that's pretty much the whole point of 3.0.

Minnie - did you take those videos? If so, where?

Yep, just me and my trusty ol' Canon. Took the videos at the Aquarium of the Bay over at Pier 39 in San Francisco. They just have the one Mandarin Goby in one tank with all the other fishes. I had to compress the videos to fit the forum so the quality may be a bit motley but still viewable.

Originally posted by jleslie:

Rather than the corals, what impressed me was the way the fish used the currents as part of their movement, doing things that only work if the water pushes them the correct way in addition to their movement. I see this all the time in the wild, but only just thought how much realism it would add to a virtual aquarium... you can't see the current, but can infer it from the fish...
John

Actually, I infer the current from the movement of the coral and the movement of the floating particles in the water and lastly see what the fishies are doing.

Jim Sachs · 09-20-2006, 10:34 PM

I was just at the Pier 39 Aquarium a few days ago, and didn't notice the Goby. In fact, I didn't see anything I could use. I'm going to the San Diego area tomorrow to check out the Scripps again, as well as any aquarium stores I can find along the way. Maybe I'll go to Atlanta on Sunday - I've been hearing good things about their new Aquarium.

Surferminn · 09-20-2006, 11:26 PM

The goby is only 4 inches or so long. It is there in the same one tank with the one yellow tang in the whole aquarium. You have to look for it. These videos were taken just last Saturday, Sept 16, 2006. Sure wish I could visit all those different aquariums too. Have a good trip(s) and hope you find what you are looking for.

Tiny Turtle · 09-21-2006, 01:38 AM

Minnie,
Then couldn't you lose the sound in your videos and save some space better used for video quality?

/Tiny Suggestion

Jim Sachs · 09-21-2006, 02:33 AM

For web videos, I think the quality is excellent. I wish I had material like this for all the critters I'm planning. It's as useful as seeing them live.

Jav400 · 09-21-2006, 02:36 AM

The Georgia Aquarium is usually packed from what I hear Jim, get your tickets from the web site to save time.

drfish · 09-21-2006, 02:43 AM

I'll be in Atlanta the end of November, I'm really hoping I can get a day off while I'm down there to check out the aquarium. I also hope that Jennifer won't kill me if I manage to go without her...

You still haven't been there Jav??? What kind of fish fan are you?

Jav400 · 09-21-2006, 05:19 AM

A busy one.

You would have seen the videos and photos by now if I had. But I am planning on soon. I hope that cooler weather will slow down the amount of people there and I can get some better shots. I hear stories of standing in line outside for several hours to get in. So far somehow I seem to be using more hours in the week than there are. I have yet to figure out how.

09-19-2006, 06:52 PM	#101
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Oh, well..........erm.......uh........ I'm sure that this deserves some kind of comment. Would "Best of Luck" suffice?? Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

09-20-2006, 01:14 AM	#102
Surferminn Senior Puddle Jumper Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: California Posts: 6,017	Okay, here are 3 more Mandarin Goby videos: goby2 - This one is not as good a quality(due to compression and distant/focus) but it does demonstrate the goby's behavior habit of grazing among the rocks and coral ignoring the other fishes. While most other fishes are swimming in the water space, periodically going to the coral for food or temporary shelter, the goby tended to hang out in the rocks and coral rather than swim in the water space. goby3 - This one clearly shows the 2 breathing gills on the goby's shoulder even better than the first one and it's habit of grazing on the rocks by scooting up little bit at a time. goby4 - This one shows another angle of the goby. After it dives to the bottom and forages among the gravel, when it comes up, watch it spit out gravel from it's mouth and return to coral grazing. In all three videos above and others, the goby consistently keeps it's dorsal fin down. It does not seem to have its dorsal fin up on a regular basis. Nothing Changes if Nothing Changes. Last edited by Surferminn; 09-20-2006 at 02:48 AM.

09-20-2006, 02:09 AM	#103
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Thanks, Minnie. Great vids. Amazing how he struts his stuff like that in #1. Very cool. Y'know, the single most anticipated feature in 3.0 will be individual behaviour. Hi-res models/textures mean little compared to if the fish start exploring their little reef and so. IMHO, of course! /Tiny Will of Their Own Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

09-20-2006, 07:08 AM	#105
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	I'm not "Jim??!??", but Jim has wanted to have moving corals since 2000. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

09-20-2006, 10:49 AM	#106
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,787	Yes, that's pretty much the whole point of 3.0. Minnie - did you take those videos? If so, where? Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

09-20-2006, 06:44 AM	#104
jleslie Engineer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,279	What's interesting to me about the videos, especially #2, is that there is clearly some water flow through the tank, and the fish and scenery are reacting to it. Definitely livens things up! Jim??!?? John

09-20-2006, 11:08 AM	#107
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Great videos, Minn. - I've only just got around to viewing them!

09-20-2006, 12:03 PM	#108
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	How are you liking that faster speed now Cliff? Makes life much easier for things like this. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

09-20-2006, 01:51 PM	#109
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	It's great! - I tend to forget that it's now no problem to look at videos.

09-20-2006, 02:42 PM	#111
jleslie Engineer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,279	Rather than the corals, what impressed me was the way the fish used the currents as part of their movement, doing things that only work if the water pushes them the correct way in addition to their movement. I see this all the time in the wild, but only just thought how much realism it would add to a virtual aquarium... you can't see the current, but can infer it from the fish... John

09-20-2006, 05:39 PM	#112
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	OK Jim I just found a video, its not a very good one, but at least you can see the movement. And he is definately walking. Walking Shark Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

09-20-2006, 09:15 PM	#113
Surferminn Senior Puddle Jumper Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: California Posts: 6,017	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: Yes, that's pretty much the whole point of 3.0. Minnie - did you take those videos? If so, where? Yep, just me and my trusty ol' Canon. Took the videos at the Aquarium of the Bay over at Pier 39 in San Francisco. They just have the one Mandarin Goby in one tank with all the other fishes. I had to compress the videos to fit the forum so the quality may be a bit motley but still viewable. Originally posted by jleslie: Rather than the corals, what impressed me was the way the fish used the currents as part of their movement, doing things that only work if the water pushes them the correct way in addition to their movement. I see this all the time in the wild, but only just thought how much realism it would add to a virtual aquarium... you can't see the current, but can infer it from the fish... John Actually, I infer the current from the movement of the coral and the movement of the floating particles in the water and lastly see what the fishies are doing. Nothing Changes if Nothing Changes.

09-20-2006, 10:34 PM	#114
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,787	I was just at the Pier 39 Aquarium a few days ago, and didn't notice the Goby. In fact, I didn't see anything I could use. I'm going to the San Diego area tomorrow to check out the Scripps again, as well as any aquarium stores I can find along the way. Maybe I'll go to Atlanta on Sunday - I've been hearing good things about their new Aquarium. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

09-20-2006, 11:26 PM	#115
Surferminn Senior Puddle Jumper Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: California Posts: 6,017	The goby is only 4 inches or so long. It is there in the same one tank with the one yellow tang in the whole aquarium. You have to look for it. These videos were taken just last Saturday, Sept 16, 2006. Sure wish I could visit all those different aquariums too. Have a good trip(s) and hope you find what you are looking for. Nothing Changes if Nothing Changes.

09-21-2006, 01:38 AM	#116
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Minnie, Then couldn't you lose the sound in your videos and save some space better used for video quality? /Tiny Suggestion Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

09-21-2006, 02:33 AM	#117
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,787	For web videos, I think the quality is excellent. I wish I had material like this for all the critters I'm planning. It's as useful as seeing them live. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

09-21-2006, 02:36 AM	#118
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	The Georgia Aquarium is usually packed from what I hear Jim, get your tickets from the web site to save time. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

09-21-2006, 02:43 AM	#119
drfish the Doc Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Zeeland, MI Posts: 5,357	I'll be in Atlanta the end of November, I'm really hoping I can get a day off while I'm down there to check out the aquarium. I also hope that Jennifer won't kill me if I manage to go without her... You still haven't been there Jav??? What kind of fish fan are you? I don't watch commercials.

09-21-2006, 05:19 AM	#120
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	A busy one. You would have seen the videos and photos by now if I had. But I am planning on soon. I hope that cooler weather will slow down the amount of people there and I can get some better shots. I hear stories of standing in line outside for several hours to get in. So far somehow I seem to be using more hours in the week than there are. I have yet to figure out how. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection