Windows 7 & MA3? - Page 6

Vinz Clortho · 02-27-2010, 08:40 PM

How about trying to run MA3 in a sandbox? There are free ones that work with Windows. Not tried them myself but it's just a thought.

Jim Sachs · 02-27-2010, 08:50 PM

The bubble sound is a simple looping wave (.wav) file.

Dale · 02-27-2010, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by Terry Kennedy:

Just as another data point - I too get no bubble sounds or music in MA3. I have checked a half dozen different XP (x32) and Windows 7 (x64) machines and none of them have a file type association set for .sgt files.

I can play .mp3 and other known file types by selecting them in the MA3 config window.

I would not expect an application association with file type .sgt - and don't see one on any of my systems.

However - I'm glad (I think) to see one more example of MA3 that doesn't play the default music and bubble sounds. That increases the chance of diagnosis.

Terry, do you not get the sounds on XP systems, or is the silence only on Windows 7 (X64)?

I suppose there is some chance that this might be "edition" specific. I'm hearing MA3 sounds OK on W7 Ultimate (X86 and X64) and W7 Home Premium (X64). Perhaps Terry and garybebee could state what edition of W7 they are using, just to complete the record?

Terry Kennedy · 02-27-2010, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by Dale:

Terry, do you not get the sounds on XP systems, or is the silence only on Windows 7 (X64)?

Works fine here on 32-bit XP.

I suppose there is some chance that this might be "edition" specific. I'm hearing MA3 sounds OK on W7 Ultimate (X86 and X64) and W7 Home Premium (X64). Perhaps Terry and garybebee could state what edition of W7 they are using, just to complete the record?

I'm using Ultimate x64. The 2 W7 systems I have both have Asus Xonar audio cards (2 different models). I have not encountered any other cases where audio doesn't play on these systems.

Windows is up-to-date w/ updates, as is DirectX. I have no error'd devices in Device Manager.

flip · 02-27-2010, 11:52 PM

https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...highlight=flip

Seeing I started this monster I finally got my own selected music going its here some where.
It sounds complected but it is actually easy once you understand it all.

Its a definite copy and print out to make it easy.

As far as any sound is concerned I had to install a special program after I had a new sound card/chip installed.

I will try to locate that site and either edit it in or make a new reply.

Sorry no luck

Keith

Dale · 02-28-2010, 10:22 AM

flip, your original problem is not the same as garybebee and Terry are reporting.

Originally posted by flip:

As far as any sound is concerned I had to install a special program after I had a new sound card/chip installed.

Keith

That information might perhaps be useful, if you can locate it.

Dale · 03-02-2010, 03:19 PM

Terry and gary bebee - just to complete the "picture" - there is one question that I don't think has been posed yet.

With MA3 running, what happens when you:

Press the M key (this is supposed to toggle the music).
Press the B key (this is supposed to toggle the bubble sound).

Probably nothing, but I'm grasping at straws.

Terry Kennedy · 03-02-2010, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Dale:

With MA3 running, what happens when you:

Press the M key (this is supposed to toggle the music).
Press the B key (this is supposed to toggle the bubble sound).

No change to sound from either (with stock music). Both successfully check / uncheck the relevant boxes in the "Program Settings" menu when pressed.

If I select an MP3 from the "Music Playlist" menu, M turns it on and off.

Nicki · 03-02-2010, 06:01 PM

It would be no problem at all for me to record canonguitar as an mp3 and post it to my skydrive (with Jim's permission of course), and I could record a 10 minute span of bubble sound too (which would be better than a short loop with lots of breaks, and would need permission as well). You could ony play one or the other, but for now at least it would be a workaround.

cjmaddy · 03-02-2010, 07:07 PM

There's one here....

.... https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...mp3#post112340

Right click on the link, then 'Save Target As...'.

Nicki · 03-02-2010, 07:21 PM

Thanks Cliff. You must have a great memory to know where all these previous posts are, not just here but on DA as well.

cjmaddy · 03-02-2010, 07:48 PM

I sometimes have to make extensive use of the search options...

.....and a good memory does help!

Dale · 03-02-2010, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by Terry Kennedy:

No change to sound from either (with stock music). Both successfully check / uncheck the relevant boxes in the "Program Settings" menu when pressed.

If I select an MP3 from the "Music Playlist" menu, M turns it on and off.

Not a big surprise. OK, here's another "straw"

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

That's DirectX 8.1: DirectMusic Producer

You'll see from the download page that it's from 2001. It "should not" mess up anything currently on your computer, because it's earlier stuff. It did not mess up anything on my computer (as far as I can tell) when I installed it.

YMMV, of course.

Jim Sachs · 03-02-2010, 11:39 PM

Forgive me if I missed some posts, but please refresh my memory. Do other MIDI pieces play (by simply clicking on them)? Do .WAV files play? Are there MIDI drivers listed in the Music section of DXDIAG (Microsoft MIDI Mapper, for example)?

Terry Kennedy · 03-03-2010, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

Forgive me if I missed some posts, but please refresh my memory. Do other MIDI pieces play (by simply clicking on them)? Do .WAV files play? Are there MIDI drivers listed in the Music section of DXDIAG (Microsoft MIDI Mapper, for example)?

MIDI files play fine (in Windows Media Player). No sound if selected inside MA3. WAV and MP3 files play fine when selected inside MA3.

There is no "Music" section in my DxDIAG. Under DirectShow Filters I have:

Code:

MIDI Parser,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7600.16490

I also have:

Code:

Midi Renderers:
Default MidiOut Device,0x00800000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7600.16490
Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7600.16490
MPU-401,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7600.16490

The complete DxDiag output is here if it is useful.

Remember, I have no bubble sound either, so this is more likely a DirectX thing rather than a MIDI one.

Terry Kennedy · 03-03-2010, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by Dale:

Not a big surprise. OK, here's another "straw"

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

No change.

Dale · 03-03-2010, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

Forgive me if I missed some posts, but please refresh my memory. Do other MIDI pieces play (by simply clicking on them)? Do .WAV files play? Are there MIDI drivers listed in the Music section of DXDIAG (Microsoft MIDI Mapper, for example)?

There is no Music section in DXDIAG on my PCs - to be accurate, I checked two of my W7 machines, and will check some others later. One of the machines I checked has a single "sound" section in DXDIAG, and the other has two, but in both cases there is not much in the section.

As I reported, all of my several W7 systems work fine with MA3 CanonGuitar.sgt and bubble sound. None of them have add-on sound cards. They all rely on the on-board audio.

HOWEVER

Note that Terry has an added high-end sound card (Asus Xonar), and garybebee may also have an add-on sound card. The report shows (in part)

Originally posted by garybebee:

Description: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0888&SUBSYS_103C2A86&REV_1002
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.5910 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail

Jim, I think I've suggested every diagnostic possible, and every credible "standard" corrective measure.

I'm confident that Terry has the latest drivers, and perhaps garybebee (confirmation invited).

It appears to me that MA3's included sounds do not work with (some) sound cards or some chips or drivers. And if that diagnosis is correct, it probably says that folks who want excellent audio can't hear bubbles. This may be only a Windows 7 artifact (or may not), but that does not minimize the problem.

Although only a few people are affected, that seems to be either a very significant bug, or a system limitation that needs to be documented.

Jim Sachs · 03-03-2010, 10:36 AM

So your DXDIAG doesn't look like this?

Dale · 03-03-2010, 10:51 AM

Snap1.jpg

The other PC within reach has only one Sound section in DXDIAG.

Jim Sachs · 03-03-2010, 11:02 AM

Hmm, I see that mine is DXDIAG 5, and yours is 6. I wonder why they chose to cripple it.

Anyway, I'm out of ideas. It looks like the only way to diagnose this would be for it to happen on my machine during a debug session. That would mean a new computer and W7, neither of which will be happening anytime soon.

02-27-2010, 08:50 PM	#102
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	The bubble sound is a simple looping wave (.wav) file. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

03-02-2010, 06:01 PM	#109
Nicki Sugar Plum Fairy Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,267	It would be no problem at all for me to record canonguitar as an mp3 and post it to my skydrive (with Jim's permission of course), and I could record a 10 minute span of bubble sound too (which would be better than a short loop with lots of breaks, and would need permission as well). You could ony play one or the other, but for now at least it would be a workaround. Run you clever boy. And remember...

03-02-2010, 07:21 PM	#111
Nicki Sugar Plum Fairy Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,267	Thanks Cliff. You must have a great memory to know where all these previous posts are, not just here but on DA as well. Run you clever boy. And remember...

03-02-2010, 11:39 PM	#114
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	Forgive me if I missed some posts, but please refresh my memory. Do other MIDI pieces play (by simply clicking on them)? Do .WAV files play? Are there MIDI drivers listed in the Music section of DXDIAG (Microsoft MIDI Mapper, for example)? Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

03-03-2010, 01:42 AM	#115
Terry Kennedy Registered Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 16	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: Forgive me if I missed some posts, but please refresh my memory. Do other MIDI pieces play (by simply clicking on them)? Do .WAV files play? Are there MIDI drivers listed in the Music section of DXDIAG (Microsoft MIDI Mapper, for example)? MIDI files play fine (in Windows Media Player). No sound if selected inside MA3. WAV and MP3 files play fine when selected inside MA3. There is no "Music" section in my DxDIAG. Under DirectShow Filters I have: Code: MIDI Parser,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7600.16490 I also have: Code: Midi Renderers: Default MidiOut Device,0x00800000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7600.16490 Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7600.16490 MPU-401,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7600.16490 The complete DxDiag output is here if it is useful. Remember, I have no bubble sound either, so this is more likely a DirectX thing rather than a MIDI one.

02-27-2010, 08:40 PM	#101
Vinz Clortho Servant of Zool Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 21	How about trying to run MA3 in a sandbox? There are free ones that work with Windows. Not tried them myself but it's just a thought.

02-27-2010, 09:54 PM	#103
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by Terry Kennedy: Just as another data point - I too get no bubble sounds or music in MA3. I have checked a half dozen different XP (x32) and Windows 7 (x64) machines and none of them have a file type association set for .sgt files. I can play .mp3 and other known file types by selecting them in the MA3 config window. I would not expect an application association with file type .sgt - and don't see one on any of my systems. However - I'm glad (I think) to see one more example of MA3 that doesn't play the default music and bubble sounds. That increases the chance of diagnosis. Terry, do you not get the sounds on XP systems, or is the silence only on Windows 7 (X64)? I suppose there is some chance that this might be "edition" specific. I'm hearing MA3 sounds OK on W7 Ultimate (X86 and X64) and W7 Home Premium (X64). Perhaps Terry and garybebee could state what edition of W7 they are using, just to complete the record?

02-27-2010, 10:45 PM	#104
Terry Kennedy Registered Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 16	Originally posted by Dale: Terry, do you not get the sounds on XP systems, or is the silence only on Windows 7 (X64)? Works fine here on 32-bit XP. I suppose there is some chance that this might be "edition" specific. I'm hearing MA3 sounds OK on W7 Ultimate (X86 and X64) and W7 Home Premium (X64). Perhaps Terry and garybebee could state what edition of W7 they are using, just to complete the record? I'm using Ultimate x64. The 2 W7 systems I have both have Asus Xonar audio cards (2 different models). I have not encountered any other cases where audio doesn't play on these systems. Windows is up-to-date w/ updates, as is DirectX. I have no error'd devices in Device Manager.

02-27-2010, 11:52 PM	#105
flip Registered Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Victoria Australia Posts: 155	https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...highlight=flip Seeing I started this monster I finally got my own selected music going its here some where. It sounds complected but it is actually easy once you understand it all. Its a definite copy and print out to make it easy. As far as any sound is concerned I had to install a special program after I had a new sound card/chip installed. I will try to locate that site and either edit it in or make a new reply. Sorry no luck Keith

02-28-2010, 10:22 AM	#106
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	flip, your original problem is not the same as garybebee and Terry are reporting. Originally posted by flip: As far as any sound is concerned I had to install a special program after I had a new sound card/chip installed. Keith That information might perhaps be useful, if you can locate it.

03-02-2010, 03:19 PM	#107
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Terry and gary bebee - just to complete the "picture" - there is one question that I don't think has been posed yet. With MA3 running, what happens when you: Press the M key (this is supposed to toggle the music). Press the B key (this is supposed to toggle the bubble sound). Probably nothing, but I'm grasping at straws.

03-02-2010, 05:33 PM	#108
Terry Kennedy Registered Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 16	Originally posted by Dale: With MA3 running, what happens when you: Press the M key (this is supposed to toggle the music). Press the B key (this is supposed to toggle the bubble sound). No change to sound from either (with stock music). Both successfully check / uncheck the relevant boxes in the "Program Settings" menu when pressed. If I select an MP3 from the "Music Playlist" menu, M turns it on and off.

03-02-2010, 07:07 PM	#110
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	There's one here.... .... https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...mp3#post112340 Right click on the link, then 'Save Target As...'.

03-02-2010, 07:48 PM	#112
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	I sometimes have to make extensive use of the search options... .....and a good memory does help!

03-02-2010, 09:14 PM	#113
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by Terry Kennedy: No change to sound from either (with stock music). Both successfully check / uncheck the relevant boxes in the "Program Settings" menu when pressed. If I select an MP3 from the "Music Playlist" menu, M turns it on and off. Not a big surprise. OK, here's another "straw" http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en That's DirectX 8.1: DirectMusic Producer You'll see from the download page that it's from 2001. It "should not" mess up anything currently on your computer, because it's earlier stuff. It did not mess up anything on my computer (as far as I can tell) when I installed it. YMMV, of course.

03-03-2010, 02:18 AM	#116
Terry Kennedy Registered Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 16	Originally posted by Dale: Not a big surprise. OK, here's another "straw" http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en No change.

03-03-2010, 09:55 AM	#117
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: Forgive me if I missed some posts, but please refresh my memory. Do other MIDI pieces play (by simply clicking on them)? Do .WAV files play? Are there MIDI drivers listed in the Music section of DXDIAG (Microsoft MIDI Mapper, for example)? There is no Music section in DXDIAG on my PCs - to be accurate, I checked two of my W7 machines, and will check some others later. One of the machines I checked has a single "sound" section in DXDIAG, and the other has two, but in both cases there is not much in the section. As I reported, all of my several W7 systems work fine with MA3 CanonGuitar.sgt and bubble sound. None of them have add-on sound cards. They all rely on the on-board audio. *HOWEVER* Note that Terry has an added high-end sound card (Asus Xonar), and garybebee may also have an add-on sound card. The report shows (in part) Originally posted by garybebee: Description: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio) Default Sound Playback: Yes Default Voice Playback: Yes Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0888&SUBSYS_103C2A86&REV_1002 Manufacturer ID: 1 Product ID: 100 Type: WDM Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys Driver Version: 6.00.0001.5910 (English) Driver Attributes: Final Retail Jim, I think I've suggested every diagnostic possible, and every credible "standard" corrective measure. I'm confident that Terry has the latest drivers, and perhaps garybebee (confirmation invited). It appears to me that MA3's included sounds do not work with (some) sound cards or some chips or drivers. And if that diagnosis is correct, it probably says that folks who want excellent audio can't hear bubbles. This may be only a Windows 7 artifact (or may not), but that does not minimize the problem. Although only a few people are affected, that seems to be either a very significant bug, or a system limitation that needs to be documented.

03-03-2010, 10:51 AM	#119
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Snap1.jpg The other PC within reach has only one Sound section in DXDIAG.

03-03-2010, 11:02 AM	#120
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	Hmm, I see that mine is DXDIAG 5, and yours is 6. I wonder why they chose to cripple it. Anyway, I'm out of ideas. It looks like the only way to diagnose this would be for it to happen on my machine during a debug session. That would mean a new computer and W7, neither of which will be happening anytime soon. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium