Sharks: Terrors of the Deep Wishlist - Page 6

Marian Nichols · 03-16-2004, 03:12 PM

But what about the action of swimming toward the camera and suddenly opening its mouth and snapping it close. You know show some teeth

Digital Lungfish · 03-16-2004, 06:44 PM

Heck Marian, I'd be happy if ALL our sharks had teeth to start with.

Reichart · 03-16-2004, 06:49 PM

Some of our sharks have teeth, but remember, each tooth is 1 poly. When one considers that Sachs' fish are in the 300 poly range, we are talking a fourth just for teeth.

Digital Lungfish · 03-16-2004, 10:03 PM

Hey Reichart,

So is that your way of saying that you wont be adding teeth to the rest of the sharks then? Don't mean to pry, but teeth are rather important to sharks and the overall fear effect they convey. Without them they're like a toothless tiger. Nice to look at, but not too much in the way of fear. Ok, so a tiger does have it's claws, but you get my point.

Reichart · 03-16-2004, 10:11 PM

No, it means simply that we promised nothing.

We plan to improve the product though. We will do things in the order we can, and when we can.

Digital Lungfish · 03-16-2004, 10:51 PM

No worries Reichart, I wasn't reading into anything and never said you had guys actually "promised" anything, so shields down Scotty, you're not under attack.

I was just saying that the over all effect of a screensaver titled "Sharks: Terrors of the Deep" with sharks that have no teeth might seem a little ... well ... neutered. I fully understand the ramifications of the poly count, but what I'm not privy to is how far you guys are willing to go, so that's why I was asking. You never know until you ask, right?

Tiny Turtle · 03-17-2004, 02:14 AM

I too see the problem, but would as it is right now prefer a closed mouth over the Colgate smile of the GW...

/Tiny Nag About Glowing Teeth Again

Schnaaps · 03-17-2004, 03:32 PM

Interesting discussion RE Teeth. We will probably be adding teeth when and where they are needed, and balanced for effect vs performace.

For example, the GW is famous for it's large visable teeth in mulitple rows. These teeth are constantly being replaced. In some cases they are actually stick out beyond the jaw line before they break off. Our Great White has teeth and has a wonderful dental plan as Tiny points out. However, the bottom dwelling angel shark, No teeth is my vote... When we put behaviour and territory elements into the game, you will just never see them

Also, not all shark species have clearly visible teeth. For example:
http://www.vibrantsea.net/hammerhead17_cocos1.html

and
http://www.chirpingbird.com/netpets/.../fishfac1.html

I have not yet gone down the list of all of our sharks, but I would hazzard a guess that the majority of them will not benefit from, or be biologically accurate with visible teeth.

MadBob · 03-17-2004, 03:48 PM

Squid and a huge Whale meandering past occasionally.

Digital Lungfish · 03-17-2004, 11:12 PM

I totally agree Schnaaps, bottom dwelling sharks wouldn't normally have visible teeth and the same should apply to those in the screensaver. I should have clarified that myself when I was suggesting the sharks should all have teeth, it probably would have helped.

BTW, thanks for the links, that one image makes for a good avatar.

Schnaaps · 03-18-2004, 01:07 AM

DL, you are correct, that is a great avatar.

As you may have figured, I tend to always stress realism and accuracy whenever possible.

Jav400 · 03-18-2004, 03:51 AM

The only way to go.

mako-shark · 03-23-2004, 05:55 PM

First I would like to thank the developers for creating this product. I have been waiting for this product, and it surpasses any other attempts that I have seen! I have registered so that I can easily keep up with the sharks!

I agree with Tiny that claspers would be a nice addition to some of the sharks. Showing both male and female sharks would be very cool, and give some people a better idea that there are distinct differences between male and female sharks.

One other thing I have not seen mentioned in the posts would be some shark eggs. Since sharks can reproduce in 3 possible manners, it would be really cool to see some of the egg cases depicted in the backgrounds with bottoms. Again I think it would give people a little better appreciation of the true beauty of the sharks in the world.

Again thank you for the product!! I look forward to every update that might be issued!

Jav400 · 03-23-2004, 05:57 PM

Welcome to the forum. Hope you enjoy your time here. The egg idea is one that I haven't seen before. Good job on your first post.

Yellow Tang · 03-24-2004, 04:27 AM

<-- Tiny hint for adding smooth motion to this avatar.

Tiny Turtle · 03-24-2004, 04:43 AM

Noted, YT. I'll see if I can find some time.

sunny · 03-24-2004, 07:48 PM

sorry tiny...
just trying out...
is this ok?

Tiny Turtle · 03-25-2004, 02:21 AM

No worries, Sunny. I tried that one too, but thought it just looked like he vas stuck in one place. I'm thinking adding a few (small) bubbles passing by in the reverse direction of the shark might create a better illusion of movement.

/Tiny Too

Yellow Tang · 03-25-2004, 07:10 AM

I had something like this in my mind (made with SmartMorph, thanks Cliff):

drfish · 03-25-2004, 07:16 AM

Hey, not too shabby...

The small blur kind of gives it a watery effect...

03-16-2004, 06:44 PM	#102
Digital Lungfish Obey the toad! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,557	Heck Marian, I'd be happy if ALL our sharks had teeth to start with. Steve www.tron-sector.com - www.badcartridge.com - www.classicgaming.com - www.dinofish.com Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday...

03-16-2004, 06:49 PM	#103
Reichart CTO Prolific Publishing Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui Posts: 423	Some of our sharks have teeth, but remember, each tooth is 1 poly. When one considers that Sachs' fish are in the 300 poly range, we are talking a fourth just for teeth. *Reichart...* , CTO, Prolific Publishing, Inc. Come visit us Prolific Publishing, Inc.

03-16-2004, 10:03 PM	#104
Digital Lungfish Obey the toad! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,557	Hey Reichart, So is that your way of saying that you wont be adding teeth to the rest of the sharks then? Don't mean to pry, but teeth are rather important to sharks and the overall fear effect they convey. Without them they're like a toothless tiger. Nice to look at, but not too much in the way of fear. Ok, so a tiger does have it's claws, but you get my point. Steve www.tron-sector.com - www.badcartridge.com - www.classicgaming.com - www.dinofish.com Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday...

03-16-2004, 10:11 PM	#105
Reichart CTO Prolific Publishing Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui Posts: 423	No, it means simply that we promised nothing. We plan to improve the product though. We will do things in the order we can, and when we can. *Reichart...* , CTO, Prolific Publishing, Inc. Come visit us Prolific Publishing, Inc.

03-16-2004, 10:51 PM	#106
Digital Lungfish Obey the toad! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,557	No worries Reichart, I wasn't reading into anything and never said you had guys actually "promised" anything, so shields down Scotty, you're not under attack. I was just saying that the over all effect of a screensaver titled "Sharks: Terrors of the Deep" with sharks that have no teeth might seem a little ... well ... neutered. I fully understand the ramifications of the poly count, but what I'm not privy to is how far you guys are willing to go, so that's why I was asking. You never know until you ask, right? Steve www.tron-sector.com - www.badcartridge.com - www.classicgaming.com - www.dinofish.com Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday...

03-16-2004, 03:12 PM	#101
Marian Nichols ~Author~ Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rocky Mount, NC Posts: 7,429	But what about the action of swimming toward the camera and suddenly opening its mouth and snapping it close. You know show some teeth

03-17-2004, 02:14 AM	#107
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	I too see the problem, but would as it is right now prefer a closed mouth over the Colgate smile of the GW... /Tiny Nag About Glowing Teeth Again Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

03-17-2004, 03:32 PM	#108
Schnaaps prolificus penguinus Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Prolific Posts: 204	Interesting discussion RE Teeth. We will probably be adding teeth when and where they are needed, and balanced for effect vs performace. For example, the GW is famous for it's large visable teeth in mulitple rows. These teeth are constantly being replaced. In some cases they are actually stick out beyond the jaw line before they break off. Our Great White has teeth and has a wonderful dental plan as Tiny points out. However, the bottom dwelling angel shark, No teeth is my vote... When we put behaviour and territory elements into the game, you will just never see them Also, not all shark species have clearly visible teeth. For example: http://www.vibrantsea.net/hammerhead17_cocos1.html and http://www.chirpingbird.com/netpets/.../fishfac1.html I have not yet gone down the list of all of our sharks, but I would hazzard a guess that the majority of them will not benefit from, or be biologically accurate with visible teeth. "Jim, no not THAT Jim but another of the same name" JamesRathbun.com

03-17-2004, 03:48 PM	#109
MadBob Guitar Man Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancs. UK Posts: 194	Squid and a huge Whale meandering past occasionally.

03-17-2004, 11:12 PM	#110
Digital Lungfish Obey the toad! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,557	I totally agree Schnaaps, bottom dwelling sharks wouldn't normally have visible teeth and the same should apply to those in the screensaver. I should have clarified that myself when I was suggesting the sharks should all have teeth, it probably would have helped. BTW, thanks for the links, that one image makes for a good avatar. Steve www.tron-sector.com - www.badcartridge.com - www.classicgaming.com - www.dinofish.com Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday...

03-18-2004, 01:07 AM	#111
Schnaaps prolificus penguinus Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Prolific Posts: 204	DL, you are correct, that is a great avatar. As you may have figured, I tend to always stress realism and accuracy whenever possible. "Jim, no not THAT Jim but another of the same name" JamesRathbun.com

03-18-2004, 03:51 AM	#112
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	The only way to go. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

03-23-2004, 05:55 PM	#113
mako-shark Registered Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 1	First I would like to thank the developers for creating this product. I have been waiting for this product, and it surpasses any other attempts that I have seen! I have registered so that I can easily keep up with the sharks! I agree with Tiny that claspers would be a nice addition to some of the sharks. Showing both male and female sharks would be very cool, and give some people a better idea that there are distinct differences between male and female sharks. One other thing I have not seen mentioned in the posts would be some shark eggs. Since sharks can reproduce in 3 possible manners, it would be really cool to see some of the egg cases depicted in the backgrounds with bottoms. Again I think it would give people a little better appreciation of the true beauty of the sharks in the world. Again thank you for the product!! I look forward to every update that might be issued!

03-23-2004, 05:57 PM	#114
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Welcome to the forum. Hope you enjoy your time here. The egg idea is one that I haven't seen before. Good job on your first post. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

03-24-2004, 04:27 AM	#115
Yellow Tang YT Join Date: Jan 2002 Tournaments Won: 1 Location: Germany Posts: 729	<-- Tiny hint for adding smooth motion to this avatar.

03-24-2004, 04:43 AM	#116
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Noted, YT. I'll see if I can find some time. Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

03-25-2004, 02:21 AM	#118
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	No worries, Sunny. I tried that one too, but thought it just looked like he vas stuck in one place. I'm thinking adding a few (small) bubbles passing by in the reverse direction of the shark might create a better illusion of movement. /Tiny Too Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

03-25-2004, 07:16 AM	#120
drfish the Doc Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Zeeland, MI Posts: 5,357	Hey, not too shabby... The small blur kind of gives it a watery effect... I don't watch commercials.