Developer Notes - Page 6

feldon34 · 11-18-2008, 03:18 PM

Bump mapping requires a second texture. Not sure if Jim plans to do that.

The fish currently have specular lighting.

cjmaddy · 11-18-2008, 03:45 PM

.... But please, no light rays!

......... Having it play "songs", is bad enough! ...

Jim Sachs · 11-18-2008, 05:20 PM

Beta 7 is up:
http://www.fish-byte.com/MA3Beta.zip

This is a rough test of the crystal. There's no collision-avoidance for the crystal yet, so don't bother reporting pass-thoroughs. The crystal can be turned on and off in Settings, but no logo graphics on it yet.

Also fixed a few little visual glitches in the tank.

Tiny Turtle · 11-18-2008, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by majalid:

MA3 looks amazing on my 22" Samsung T220. It is better than having a real aquarium! Can't wait for new fish models with better AI!

Ideas:
- light rays?
- tiny floating particles (maybe micro bubbles) that appear to be randomly drifting
- reflective, shiny fishes:

(http://www.digifish.us/aquagarden/ag_infor.htm)

I also asked for shiny fish (a long time ago), but apparently the species in MA have more of a velvety sheen than the highly reflective look of freshwater fish like the angelfish you posted a pic of above.

Jim Sachs · 11-18-2008, 07:58 PM

There are currently three fish in the Marine Aquarium which need specular (shine). The only one where it really shows is the Copperband. So far, I have not been able to get my shader to do specular. All previous versions of MA used DirectX lighting instead of shaders, so I had the use of specular effects.

majalid · 11-19-2008, 11:08 AM

Copperband:

Jim Sachs · 11-19-2008, 11:44 AM

Yep, that's the Copperband.

feldon34 · 11-19-2008, 11:46 AM

Jim has very high resolution photos and source material for most of the fish. The case of the Copperband is an issue of programming shaders.

Jim Sachs · 11-19-2008, 01:45 PM

I just replaced Beta7 with Beta7a.
http://www.fish-byte.com/MA3Beta.zip

This version has the SereneScreen logo on the crystal.

rctneil · 11-19-2008, 01:58 PM

aesome Jim!, downloading now

Tarkus · 11-19-2008, 03:59 PM

The bubble sound bug remains for me.

rctneil · 11-19-2008, 04:02 PM

Yeh, I ahve had some bugs with the bubble sound in beta 7 and beta 7a

Jim Sachs · 11-19-2008, 04:30 PM

The same "loud until touched" bug, or something else?

Jim Sachs · 11-19-2008, 04:35 PM

Beta7b should cures a problem reported with the crystal and Intel chips:
http://www.fish-byte.com/MA3Beta.zip

Tarkus · 11-20-2008, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

The same "loud until touched" bug, or something else?

That. Vista Home Premium, AMD Dual Core. Let me know if you need more information.

Edgar · 11-20-2008, 08:18 AM

Have you tried changing the volumes of the bubble sound and the music and see if it still happens?

Tarkus · 11-21-2008, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by Edgar:

Have you tried changing the volumes of the bubble sound and the music and see if it still happens?

Yes.

Edgar · 11-22-2008, 01:17 AM

I am able to duplicate the bubble sound problem. I should be able to come up with a fix for it soon.

Jim Sachs · 11-22-2008, 10:57 PM

I just uploaded Beta7c. Additions include possible fix for the sound volume bug and texture seam at the far left. Saving of scroll position is in. Rudimentary collision-avoidance between fish and crystal.
http://www.fish-byte.com/MA3Beta.zip

Mith · 11-22-2008, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

I just uploaded Beta7c. Additions include possible fix for the sound volume bug and texture seam at the far left. Saving of scroll position is in. Rudimentary collision-avoidance between fish and crystal.
http://www.fish-byte.com/MA3Beta.zip

I'm downloading it now Jim... give me a few...

and I'll recheck that left side problem.

BACK... Jim, the problem is there ONLY when the antialiasing setting of "Override application setting" is set. All other settings (Off, enhance application settings, application controlled.... etc.) are fine. I still can not see the seam flaw anymore...

11-18-2008, 03:18 PM	#101
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Bump mapping requires a second texture. Not sure if Jim plans to do that. The fish currently have specular lighting. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

11-18-2008, 05:20 PM	#103
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	Beta 7 is up: http://www.fish-byte.com/MA3Beta.zip This is a rough test of the crystal. There's no collision-avoidance for the crystal yet, so don't bother reporting pass-thoroughs. The crystal can be turned on and off in Settings, but no logo graphics on it yet. Also fixed a few little visual glitches in the tank. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

11-18-2008, 07:30 PM	#104
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Originally posted by majalid: MA3 looks amazing on my 22" Samsung T220. It is better than having a real aquarium! Can't wait for new fish models with better AI! Ideas: - light rays? - tiny floating particles (maybe micro bubbles) that appear to be randomly drifting - reflective, shiny fishes: (http://www.digifish.us/aquagarden/ag_infor.htm) I also asked for shiny fish (a long time ago), but apparently the species in MA have more of a velvety sheen than the highly reflective look of freshwater fish like the angelfish you posted a pic of above. Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

11-18-2008, 07:58 PM	#105
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	There are currently three fish in the Marine Aquarium which need specular (shine). The only one where it really shows is the Copperband. So far, I have not been able to get my shader to do specular. All previous versions of MA used DirectX lighting instead of shaders, so I had the use of specular effects. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

11-19-2008, 11:44 AM	#107
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	Yep, that's the Copperband. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

11-18-2008, 03:45 PM	#102
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	.... But please, no light rays! ......... Having it play "songs", is bad enough! ...

11-19-2008, 11:08 AM	#106
majalid Registered Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2	Copperband:

11-19-2008, 11:46 AM	#108
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Jim has very high resolution photos and source material for most of the fish. The case of the Copperband is an issue of programming shaders. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

11-19-2008, 01:45 PM	#109
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	I just replaced Beta7 with Beta7a. http://www.fish-byte.com/MA3Beta.zip This version has the SereneScreen logo on the crystal. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

11-19-2008, 01:58 PM	#110
rctneil Registered Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 239	aesome Jim!, downloading now

11-19-2008, 03:59 PM	#111
Tarkus Shark Bytes Join Date: May 2005 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 158	The bubble sound bug remains for me.

11-19-2008, 04:02 PM	#112
rctneil Registered Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 239	Yeh, I ahve had some bugs with the bubble sound in beta 7 and beta 7a

11-19-2008, 04:30 PM	#113
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	The same "loud until touched" bug, or something else? Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

11-19-2008, 04:35 PM	#114
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	Beta7b should cures a problem reported with the crystal and Intel chips: http://www.fish-byte.com/MA3Beta.zip Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

11-20-2008, 08:04 AM	#115
Tarkus Shark Bytes Join Date: May 2005 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 158	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: The same "loud until touched" bug, or something else? That. Vista Home Premium, AMD Dual Core. Let me know if you need more information.

11-20-2008, 08:18 AM	#116
Edgar Prolific/SereneScreen Developer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Norwalk, CA Posts: 513	Have you tried changing the volumes of the bubble sound and the music and see if it still happens? *Edgar Tolentino* Prolific Developer www.prolific.com www.LifeGlobe.com

11-21-2008, 12:01 AM	#117
Tarkus Shark Bytes Join Date: May 2005 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 158	Originally posted by Edgar: Have you tried changing the volumes of the bubble sound and the music and see if it still happens? Yes.

11-22-2008, 01:17 AM	#118
Edgar Prolific/SereneScreen Developer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Norwalk, CA Posts: 513	I am able to duplicate the bubble sound problem. I should be able to come up with a fix for it soon. *Edgar Tolentino* Prolific Developer www.prolific.com www.LifeGlobe.com

11-22-2008, 10:57 PM	#119
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	I just uploaded Beta7c. Additions include possible fix for the sound volume bug and texture seam at the far left. Saving of scroll position is in. Rudimentary collision-avoidance between fish and crystal. http://www.fish-byte.com/MA3Beta.zip Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

11-22-2008, 11:30 PM	#120
Mith Registered Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 140	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: I just uploaded Beta7c. Additions include possible fix for the sound volume bug and texture seam at the far left. Saving of scroll position is in. Rudimentary collision-avoidance between fish and crystal. http://www.fish-byte.com/MA3Beta.zip I'm downloading it now Jim... give me a few... and I'll recheck that left side problem. BACK... Jim, the problem is there ONLY when the antialiasing setting of "Override application setting" is set. All other settings (Off, enhance application settings, application controlled.... etc.) are fine. I still can not see the seam flaw anymore...