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Encore asked for two more fish to boost hard-copy sales through the holidays.
No, there won't be any more fish before the 3D background. In fact, I have to re-do all the existing fish using an entirely different modeling scheme. Morgan asked for the Achilles Tang. I decided on the Clearfin Lionfish because I could use my basic model for the Volitans Lionfish, with its working mouth and gills.
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Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium Last edited by Jim Sachs; 11-16-2005 at 09:57 PM. |
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#1322 |
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Join Date: Mar 2001
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Bummer. One – nothing to Yodelking (we speculated a bit on the ond fish in a 3D tank).
/Tiny Nothing Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think.
"We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history. |
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#1323 |
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hey jim,
I'm very excited to see the new fish swimming in my tank! What do you mean by a 3-D background? does this mean the camera will be moving through the tank with changing perspectives? or does mean that you will use some 3D program to create the still image of the aquarium? also, why do you have to redo the fish models? they look great the way there are. |
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#1324 |
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Join Date: Mar 2001
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Todd,
As of right now the fish are made up of 3D polygons (107 of them I believe except for the lionfish) and the background is a 2D (i.e. normal) image, cut up to enable fish to swim behind and in front of parts of it. If you press "W" while the program is running (and have "Exit on mouse movement" not selected) you will see how the background is set up. The problem with this is that collision detection is difficult and the 3D objects (the fish and starfish) cannot interact or climb on the 2D background. Jim intends to recreate the entire background as 3D objects made up of lots of polygons. The 3D version will also be twice as wide as the current one. This means the camera will (if you want it to) pan left and right and thus enable you to side the coral from slightly different angles. Folloing the 3D background will hopefully be a few "creature packs" with additions to the aquarium in form of special animals like a cleaner shrimp which then can climb on the coral or a Mandarin goby which can dig around in the gravel. Hope this helps /Tiny Breakdown P.S. Made a typo in the post above – it's supposed to read "...the old fish in the 3D tank)." Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think.
"We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history. |
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#1325 |
The Architect
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Seattle
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Check out "Fish"
![]() ...Jim intends to recreate the entire background as 3D objects made up of lots of polygons. The 3D version will also be twice as wide as the current one. This means the camera will (if you want it to) pan left and right and thus enable you to side the coral from slightly different angles. Folloing the 3D background will hopefully be a few "creature packs" with additions to the aquarium in form of special animals like a cleaner shrimp which then can climb on the coral or a Mandarin goby which can dig around in the gravel
![]() There IS a free 3D aquarium out there and it's called Fish and its available for Mac OS X ![]()
by Oriol Ferrer Mesià So he's a cat lover too, so he MUST be good people!
oriol@oriol.mine.nu http://oriol.mine.nu This is my Multimedia Engineering Graduation Project at the Audiovisual Technologies Department of La Salle School of Engineering, and also my very first contact with Cocoa. The Shark fish model and animations are taken from the "Atlantis" example included in Xcode. Other models are taken form http://www.toucan.co.jp/ and then made lowpoly. The Fish icon is taken from xFish, an icon pack made by PixelJerk. Many thanks to: my love, my parents, my friends, my cat, Pixeljerk for the icon, Marc Monguió for his interesting ideas, and Apple.
Reasons people don't watch Star Trek:
60% - It’s for nerds. 39% - The show’s stupid. 01% - My parents were killed by Klingons and it's still too painful. |
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#1326 |
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My only comment to that is that Oriol has a LARGE aquarium...
![]() /Tiny Likes Tiny Tanks Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think.
"We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history. |
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#1327 |
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![]() hey jim,
I'm very excited to see the new fish swimming in my tank! What do you mean by a 3-D background? does this mean the camera will be moving through the tank with changing perspectives? ![]() The 3D background will look very similar to how it looks now, but it will be fully created in 3D so that crabs and other creatures can crawl over it and hide inside of rocks, etc. The camera will pan left and right, but you will not be able to change depth or "fly through".
also, why do you have to redo the fish models? they look great the way there are.
The models don't allow the fish to dart off or swim vertically, plus the fish don't "breathe".
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#1328 |
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Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Southern Oregon
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One reason the models need to be re-done is the rapid improvement in monitor resolutions. When I first created the Aquarium, most people ran their monitors at about 800x600, so I made the background at a hi-res 1024x768 - unheard of as a background for a 3D program. At that res, many things are not very noticeable, like the fact that the side fins of the fish are separate objects which are not actually attached to the fish. Today's hi-res screens show this quite clearly. The new fish will be all one mesh, so the skin will stretch over the fin joints as they move. Same goes for the eyes.
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#1329 |
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Zeeland, MI
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So for the double wide background for high res monitors you're talking what for the new one? 3200x1200? 4096x1536?
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#1330 |
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Probably something like 3200x1200.
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#1331 |
the Doc
Join Date: Feb 2002
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That should work out really well, all the 1920x1200 folks out there (like yourself come to think of it) should be very pleased and that's by far the most common extreme resolution nowadays.
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#1332 |
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Join Date: Mar 2001
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![]() . . . the most common extreme resolution . . .
![]() ![]() Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think.
"We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history. |
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#1333 |
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I could think of none better.
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#1334 |
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Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: UK
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How does one become a beta tester?
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#1335 |
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Right now there are no more Beta testers required, but thanks for your interest.
Michael
Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & Gallery DVD Collection |
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#1336 |
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Random Effects
Hi all
Has anyone worked out how frequently the random fish change. Mine don't seem to change hardly at all. Do they only change each time the screensaver comes on? or will the fish change periodically if the screensaver is left on?? Hope someone can help Cheers Tony |
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#1337 |
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Random fish settings will change fish when the screensaver is restarted.
Michael
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#1338 |
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Join Date: Mar 2003
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Have the new fish been released yet?
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#1339 |
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Join Date: Dec 2000
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![]() Hi all
Has anyone worked out how frequently the random fish change. Mine don't seem to change hardly at all. Do they only change each time the screensaver comes on? or will the fish change periodically if the screensaver is left on?? Hope someone can help Cheers Tony ![]()
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#1340 |
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Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Southern Oregon
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Regarding the new version, Prolific is putting their efforts into getting the new Goldfish update out the door, then will turn their attention to MA.
Jim Sachs
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