What's it look like? (Snapshot of Goldfish Aquarium) - Page 7

feldon34 · 03-27-2003, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by drfish
Thanks Morgan. I was hoping for an answer from Reichart too though... I thought it be interesting for all of us to know the frame rate we can expect from different system setups

Another helpful statistic might be that Reichart has a GeForce 2 MX400 in his PC and he runs FlagPride FoNA, Goldfish beta, etc. on it.

drfish · 03-28-2003, 05:32 AM

Ahhh... That does help, I failed to pick up on that eariler... Thanks.

Now I guess the question is what resolution does he run it at and what's his frame rate at that res... And of course his CPU speed...

...if he would be so kind...

Reichart · 03-28-2003, 01:45 PM

Well, lets see...

Actually I just got a new computer, I have a Toshiba S703, W2K, 2 Ghz, running a GeForce4 460 Go, at 1600x1200x32I don't screw with any of the nVidia Like Morg does, but I do use my extrernal monitor.

All of these are with or without the limit checked.

MAT 40fps.
MA2 60fps
FN 60fps

Goldfish numbers are not in yet, becuase we are still optimizing.

The driver is the defaul it came with (3.6.3.9)

drfish · 04-07-2003, 04:27 AM

Hey, just to let everyone know... After showing her the pictures of the Goldfish Aquarium and some fast talking I was able to convince Jennifer to let me get her a new video card! We ordered one of these so it will do all kinds of nifty stuff.

ATI is running a promotion now so it also comes with a free Remote Wonder, not too bad of a deal... Anyway, I'm happy.

James · 04-07-2003, 05:18 AM

geek, good on u....
however, for me I'll just try out the GA first to see if ym current video card is capable enough , if it's not then I'll buy a new one, this should save any risk if I over spending my money...

so when will GA become available? it's been few weeks past...

Jav400 · 04-07-2003, 05:23 AM

Guess? I think maybe 2 more weeks.

top_Cat · 04-07-2003, 05:25 AM

2 more weeks

I thought it would be out in a couple of days.... the wait continues. Thanks Jav400 for the update though

feldon34 · 04-07-2003, 09:53 AM

I wonder how I can make the notice on the front page of the forum more noticeable.

drfish · 04-07-2003, 02:15 PM

James,
I know her's wouldn't run it... ...Intel integrated video... besides, I've always wanted an All In Wonder card anyway...

ewald · 04-07-2003, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by feldon27
I wonder how I can make the notice on the front page of the forum more noticeable.

no don't - make the GA appear sooner instead

Ralph · 04-07-2003, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by feldon27
I wonder how I can make the notice on the front page of the forum more noticeable.

Just a thought, but perhaps 3rd or 4th week of April. In one or two weeks is rather vague if you did not note when the notice was posted or is not dated.

Skiadogs · 04-08-2003, 08:44 AM

I dont know about the rest but 3times out of four I get 'Got Flags' notice instead...

xrayspex · 04-18-2003, 08:24 PM

Looks and sounds like it is going to be very nice! Looking foward to the public beta release.

Reichart · 04-22-2003, 02:53 AM

Look no further. Get your free demo from www.LifeGlobe.com, or taking advantage of the low introductory price of $14.95.

AtomicCow · 10-24-2003, 10:27 PM

I am a proud owner of the Marine aquarium since before 1.0. Unfortunately I don't think the golfish aquarium is ready for primetime even though it is being sold.

Either through craft of illusion by keeping the fish small Marine Aquarium creates a completely convincing environment the goldfish aquarium does not achieve.

Probably the most obvious deficiency is the goldfish like to face the screen and show off one of their most obvious shortcomings. The primitive, hinged no lip mouth. The interior reflecting too much light furthur destroys the illusion. Second there is a stiff feel to the fins as if there is a supporting fixed parent spine. Whatever is causing it, it just has a sense of falseness about it.
I am also more aware of the wrapped texture than ever before and the lack of modeling to keep the poly count down is obvious.

A goldfish is a considerably more difficult animal to model. And the larger size demands more real structure that can't be compensated for with phototexture and bump maps. It needs real geometry. Furthur the plant movement is a displacement trick and feels as such.

The caustics and bubbles are of course still exceptional. The modeling on the plants is also lovely. Without the marine aquarium to compare to, Goldfish Aquarium would have been an impressive screensaver. It is impressive compared to the majority of the junk that is out there. Its a great job but it feels more like a well developed start than meeting the amazing realistic standards & minimal magician's 'tells' that are the trademark of the marine aquarium. I am not jealous at all of the movements and behaviors. The lionfish is more convincing though it probably has some of the same issues with the mouth. The flaws are not telegraphed so obviously. My mind doesn't really question the reality of the marine fish. The goldfish read as fake right away. Oreo works a little better because of the black mouth.

Ralph · 10-25-2003, 06:50 AM

Very well articulated... And agree with your points and observations.

03-27-2003, 11:50 AM	#121
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Originally posted by drfish Thanks Morgan. I was hoping for an answer from Reichart too though... I thought it be interesting for all of us to know the frame rate we can expect from different system setups Another helpful statistic might be that Reichart has a GeForce 2 MX400 in his PC and he runs FlagPride FoNA, Goldfish beta, etc. on it. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-28-2003, 05:32 AM	#122
drfish the Doc Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Zeeland, MI Posts: 5,357	Ahhh... That does help, I failed to pick up on that eariler... Thanks. Now I guess the question is what resolution does he run it at and what's his frame rate at that res... And of course his CPU speed... ...if he would be so kind... I don't watch commercials.

03-28-2003, 01:45 PM	#123
Reichart CTO Prolific Publishing Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui Posts: 423	Reichart's specs Well, lets see... Actually I just got a new computer, I have a Toshiba S703, W2K, 2 Ghz, running a GeForce4 460 Go, at 1600x1200x32I don't screw with any of the nVidia Like Morg does, but I do use my extrernal monitor. All of these are with or without the limit checked. MAT 40fps. MA2 60fps FN 60fps Goldfish numbers are not in yet, becuase we are still optimizing. The driver is the defaul it came with (3.6.3.9) *Reichart...* , CTO, Prolific Publishing, Inc. Come visit us Prolific Publishing, Inc.

04-07-2003, 04:27 AM	#124
drfish the Doc Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Zeeland, MI Posts: 5,357	Hey, just to let everyone know... After showing her the pictures of the Goldfish Aquarium and some fast talking I was able to convince Jennifer to let me get her a new video card! We ordered one of these so it will do all kinds of nifty stuff. ATI is running a promotion now so it also comes with a free Remote Wonder, not too bad of a deal... Anyway, I'm happy. I don't watch commercials.

04-07-2003, 05:18 AM	#125
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	geek, good on u.... however, for me I'll just try out the GA first to see if ym current video card is capable enough , if it's not then I'll buy a new one, this should save any risk if I over spending my money... so when will GA become available? it's been few weeks past... James C Chen Principal Engineer as SDET, Connected Services HTC Corporation 88 Section 3. Zhongxing Road Xindian District, New Taipei City 231, Taiwan www.htc.com

04-07-2003, 05:23 AM	#126
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Guess? I think maybe 2 more weeks. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

04-07-2003, 05:25 AM	#127
top_Cat Registered Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK Posts: 23	2 more weeks I thought it would be out in a couple of days.... the wait continues. Thanks Jav400 for the update though

04-07-2003, 09:53 AM	#128
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	I wonder how I can make the notice on the front page of the forum more noticeable. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

04-07-2003, 02:15 PM	#129
drfish the Doc Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Zeeland, MI Posts: 5,357	James, I know her's wouldn't run it... ...Intel integrated video... besides, I've always wanted an All In Wonder card anyway... I don't watch commercials.

04-07-2003, 05:06 PM	#130
ewald Registered Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 24	Originally posted by feldon27 I wonder how I can make the notice on the front page of the forum more noticeable. no don't - make the GA appear sooner instead

04-07-2003, 08:58 PM	#131
Ralph Retired Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Edmonton Alberta Ca Posts: 2,443	Originally posted by feldon27 I wonder how I can make the notice on the front page of the forum more noticeable. Just a thought, but perhaps 3rd or 4th week of April. In one or two weeks is rather vague if you did not note when the notice was posted or is not dated.

04-08-2003, 08:44 AM	#132
Skiadogs Registered Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Redmond, Wshington Posts: 9	I dont know about the rest but 3times out of four I get 'Got Flags' notice instead... -Shay

04-18-2003, 08:24 PM	#133
xrayspex Registered Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New York City Posts: 74	Looks and sounds like it is going to be very nice! Looking foward to the public beta release.

04-22-2003, 02:53 AM	#134
Reichart CTO Prolific Publishing Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui Posts: 423	Look no further. Get your free demo from www.LifeGlobe.com, or taking advantage of the low introductory price of $14.95. *Reichart...* , CTO, Prolific Publishing, Inc. Come visit us Prolific Publishing, Inc.

10-24-2003, 10:27 PM	#135
AtomicCow Registered Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 2	Goldfish Aquarium I am a proud owner of the Marine aquarium since before 1.0. Unfortunately I don't think the golfish aquarium is ready for primetime even though it is being sold. Either through craft of illusion by keeping the fish small Marine Aquarium creates a completely convincing environment the goldfish aquarium does not achieve. Probably the most obvious deficiency is the goldfish like to face the screen and show off one of their most obvious shortcomings. The primitive, hinged no lip mouth. The interior reflecting too much light furthur destroys the illusion. Second there is a stiff feel to the fins as if there is a supporting fixed parent spine. Whatever is causing it, it just has a sense of falseness about it. I am also more aware of the wrapped texture than ever before and the lack of modeling to keep the poly count down is obvious. A goldfish is a considerably more difficult animal to model. And the larger size demands more real structure that can't be compensated for with phototexture and bump maps. It needs real geometry. Furthur the plant movement is a displacement trick and feels as such. The caustics and bubbles are of course still exceptional. The modeling on the plants is also lovely. Without the marine aquarium to compare to, Goldfish Aquarium would have been an impressive screensaver. It is impressive compared to the majority of the junk that is out there. Its a great job but it feels more like a well developed start than meeting the amazing realistic standards & minimal magician's 'tells' that are the trademark of the marine aquarium. I am not jealous at all of the movements and behaviors. The lionfish is more convincing though it probably has some of the same issues with the mouth. The flaws are not telegraphed so obviously. My mind doesn't really question the reality of the marine fish. The goldfish read as fake right away. Oreo works a little better because of the black mouth.

10-25-2003, 06:50 AM	#136
Ralph Retired Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Edmonton Alberta Ca Posts: 2,443	Very well articulated... And agree with your points and observations.