Sharks: Terrors of the Deep Wishlist - Page 8

SteelJaw · 05-07-2004, 03:31 PM

Thanks for the welcome, Edgar!

I'll work on getting some pics together and looking over the models again. I just didn't want to charge in here, completely unknown, weilding and unwanted opinion. Not a good way to start out on a board. ;>

Would those who purchase the Beta be able to upgrade to the final release version at no additional cost? If so, I'll definately consider registering the beta now. If not, I'll just wait until the full release is out and ready to go.

Down and gone,

feldon34 · 05-07-2004, 08:11 PM

Buying the beta gets you to 1.0. Beyond that, there might be add-ons and upgrades that cost extra. Buying the beta doesn't put you at any disadvantage vs. buying 1.0 except not being able to play with it for several months.

richard32 · 05-08-2004, 05:23 AM

I just bought the beta and all i can say is wow if they keep making it better the screensaver is going to be great a few more sharks would be nice in the 1.0 release

SteelJaw · 05-10-2004, 01:21 AM

OK, here goes the list of things I spotted. Please feel free to thwack me upside the head if this comes off as nitpicking.

Angel Shark:
The overall body and head looks very good. They're a wonderful species that's often overlooked, and I'm glad to see them included! The major flaw I see with the model (from the side view provided on the website) is the tail. The caudal fin is much too large, and Angel Sharks are unique in the fact that the lower lobe of the tail is actually slightly larger than the upper. This is an adaptation of bottom-dwelling life.

A couple good pics I Googled: http://www.sergiohanquet.com/tibu/tibu08.htm

Nurse Shark:
Again, the tail is the biggest flaw. Nurse sharks have fairly long tails that lack lower lobes. There is, at best, the tiniest indication of a lower caudal fin. The pectoral fins are a bit pointy but that could be the fact that the model was rendered with the fins out, not hanging straight down. The head looks good. I'd love to see barbles on the snout, if they're an option while keeping the model low-polygon. :>
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...626_shark3.jpg
Barbles: http://www.tobago.hm/sea/seapic/z-nurse-shark1.jpg

Leopard Shark:
Love this guy! His coloring and form are very accurate, as well as his swimming style. He looks just like the ones we have where I volunteer.

Blacktip Reef:
My favorite species. :> He looks good overal, great coloring. He's a little too heafty, though. These guys are pretty lean, as they will jump clear out of the water. Their snouts are also more blunt, and less pointy than the model, with larger eyes. The tail looks good, but the second dorsal and the anal fins could be slightly larger.
http://www.coralreefnetwork.com/sten...ktip_small.jpg

Lemon Shark:
It's the tail on this guy that is really off. The lower lobe is way to long for the species, and the overall shape is off slightly. Requim shark's tails always taper off, and are rarely rounded. the dorsal, second dorsal and anal fin could also stand to be more triangular. The nose in the model is very blunt, a definate characteristic of the species.
http://www.floridamarine.org/images/...emon2_1900.gif

Bull Shark
Again, the tail is too lunate. Bull Sharks have an upper lobe that's far longer than the lower lobe of the caudal fin. The dorsal fin is too swept back, and should be triangular. He's stocky, which is right on for the species. Second dorsal and anal fin could stand to be larger. Also, bulls have small, light-colored (often yellow) eyes with vertically slit pupils.
http://www.magic-lunas-home.de/grundhai.jpg
http://www.floridamarine.org/images/...bull2_1010.gif

Shortfin Mako
Model looks very good. The coloring captured the metallic look of the shark rather well. Makos are also known for showing their ragged teeth in the lower jaw, so if polygons permit, you might want to add those in as well.

Blue Shark
Overall look is good, captured the long, lean aspect of this species. The dorsal fin is actually rounded on the top, and the tail is a lot straighter than what's portrayed here.
http://livingthings.narod.ru/Clt/Ani...Sel/sel017.jpg

Tiger Shark
Tiger shark looks good. Long and lithe, like the real thing, with good markings. Pelvic fins could be more triangular, but that may be the rendered angle and not how it is built on the model.

Great Hammerhead
I had the recent privilage of getting to watch a live juvenile in capitivity this past week! Model looks nice, only issues spotted were the second dorsal and anal fin should be larger, and the first dorsal fin should be a lot taller. Hammerheads have very tall, sickle-shaped dorsal fins with short, broad pectoral fins.
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/Galler...d/ghammer2.JPG

Great White
Nicely done model. Tail and fins are accurate, and the teeth showing in the lower jaw a great touch! Looks like you added an indication of the caudal keel, as was suggested several posts back.

I had started sketching out the shark species, but stopped when I remembered I have no way of scanning said sketches, or of getting my photos on the computer at the moment (yay, moving). The images included in the post were all Googled.

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IXNAY · 05-10-2004, 03:23 PM

Wow, that is a long post. Took you some time, huh? Really nice pictures!!!

SteelJaw · 05-10-2004, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by IXNAY
Wow, that is a long post. Took you some time, huh? Really nice pictures!!!

Heh, yeah, I have a tendancy to be over-detailed, and long winded. Comes from years of elasmobranch study, and the fact I'm an artist of the realistic style. The long-winded part I get from my father. ;>

The pictures were all found using Google's image search feature. Comes in really handy, especially for references. :>

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Reichart · 05-10-2004, 09:31 PM

all cool.

SteelJaw · 05-11-2004, 03:53 PM

Glad I haven't offended anyone with my nitpickings so far. I was a bit worried about that. :>

I still have the sketches I started, if anyone wants them, but if not then I'll put them aside and stop trying to set up my scanner. I've run out of room in the area serving as the computer room! ;>

Down and gone,

Jav400 · 05-11-2004, 04:52 PM

Don't worry steel, constructive ideas and critique are always welcome. Ideas that are explained and discussed, especially with photos and so on are always welcome. Its people that come in shouting opinions without anything other than an opinion that get people peeved. Keep em coming.

Marian Nichols · 05-11-2004, 06:10 PM

Well said Michael. Well said.

enigma63941 · 07-13-2004, 06:38 PM

1. A saw-tooth fish swimming at the bottom (If that's what they do normally.

2. I quickly browsed through all the posts in this topic and I read of a carousel effect for the SA. If I understand correctly this will be similar to the GA. How about a roaming view similar to sharvisions?

Digital Lungfish · 07-20-2004, 11:04 PM

Since we're looking for sharks that should strike terror into people, here's one that I'd really like to see in a future update -

The Goblin Shark - a very weird shark which has the ability to extend it's jaws outward like a beak or retract them, very creepy.

Tiny Turtle · 07-20-2004, 11:53 PM

I dunno, Steve.
Isn't that a deep-sea species?

/Tiny Trieste

Digital Lungfish · 07-22-2004, 12:04 AM

That being said, I suppose we should rename the screensaver "Terrors of the not so Deep" then?

Tiny Turtle · 07-22-2004, 01:56 AM

Or we could lose the "Terror" part altogether and just consider the sharks beautiful and realistic...

IXNAY · 07-22-2004, 04:07 PM

Uhhh, now I can't sleep tonight

Digital Lungfish · 07-22-2004, 08:01 PM

Sorry IXNAY, did the Goblion shark scare you?

ESHIREY · 07-22-2004, 08:54 PM

I think it's cool .

IXNAY · 07-23-2004, 11:14 AM

yeah

Surferminn · 07-23-2004, 11:47 AM

you not alone ixnay. that goblin shark gave me the creeps too.

i'm not going to buy sharks if they have that character in it. think these sharks should be pg rated....

unless you want to make sure the kiddies stay away from your computerl... be interesting to know how the cats take to sharks....

05-07-2004, 03:31 PM	#141
SteelJaw Registered Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, Colorado Posts: 6	Thanks for the welcome, Edgar! I'll work on getting some pics together and looking over the models again. I just didn't want to charge in here, completely unknown, weilding and unwanted opinion. Not a good way to start out on a board. ;> Would those who purchase the Beta be able to upgrade to the final release version at no additional cost? If so, I'll definately consider registering the beta now. If not, I'll just wait until the full release is out and ready to go. Down and gone, ~SteelJaw "[Las Vegas] is a city built on the broad shoulders of bad math." --Penn Jillette of Penn and Teller

05-07-2004, 08:11 PM	#142
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Buying the beta gets you to 1.0. Beyond that, there might be add-ons and upgrades that cost extra. Buying the beta doesn't put you at any disadvantage vs. buying 1.0 except not being able to play with it for several months. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

05-08-2004, 05:23 AM	#143
richard32 HALLOWEEN FAN Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: uppingham rutland England Posts: 19	I just bought the beta and all i can say is wow if they keep making it better the screensaver is going to be great a few more sharks would be nice in the 1.0 release DOOM 3 IN 2004 HALFLIFE 2 IN APRIL 2004

05-10-2004, 01:21 AM	#144
SteelJaw Registered Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, Colorado Posts: 6	OK, here goes the list of things I spotted. Please feel free to thwack me upside the head if this comes off as nitpicking. Angel Shark: The overall body and head looks very good. They're a wonderful species that's often overlooked, and I'm glad to see them included! The major flaw I see with the model (from the side view provided on the website) is the tail. The caudal fin is much too large, and Angel Sharks are unique in the fact that the lower lobe of the tail is actually slightly larger than the upper. This is an adaptation of bottom-dwelling life. A couple good pics I Googled: http://www.sergiohanquet.com/tibu/tibu08.htm Nurse Shark: Again, the tail is the biggest flaw. Nurse sharks have fairly long tails that lack lower lobes. There is, at best, the tiniest indication of a lower caudal fin. The pectoral fins are a bit pointy but that could be the fact that the model was rendered with the fins out, not hanging straight down. The head looks good. I'd love to see barbles on the snout, if they're an option while keeping the model low-polygon. :> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...626_shark3.jpg Barbles: http://www.tobago.hm/sea/seapic/z-nurse-shark1.jpg Leopard Shark: Love this guy! His coloring and form are very accurate, as well as his swimming style. He looks just like the ones we have where I volunteer. Blacktip Reef: My favorite species. :> He looks good overal, great coloring. He's a little too heafty, though. These guys are pretty lean, as they will jump clear out of the water. Their snouts are also more blunt, and less pointy than the model, with larger eyes. The tail looks good, but the second dorsal and the anal fins could be slightly larger. http://www.coralreefnetwork.com/sten...ktip_small.jpg Lemon Shark: It's the tail on this guy that is really off. The lower lobe is way to long for the species, and the overall shape is off slightly. Requim shark's tails always taper off, and are rarely rounded. the dorsal, second dorsal and anal fin could also stand to be more triangular. The nose in the model is very blunt, a definate characteristic of the species. http://www.floridamarine.org/images/...emon2_1900.gif Bull Shark Again, the tail is too lunate. Bull Sharks have an upper lobe that's far longer than the lower lobe of the caudal fin. The dorsal fin is too swept back, and should be triangular. He's stocky, which is right on for the species. Second dorsal and anal fin could stand to be larger. Also, bulls have small, light-colored (often yellow) eyes with vertically slit pupils. http://www.magic-lunas-home.de/grundhai.jpg http://www.floridamarine.org/images/...bull2_1010.gif Shortfin Mako Model looks very good. The coloring captured the metallic look of the shark rather well. Makos are also known for showing their ragged teeth in the lower jaw, so if polygons permit, you might want to add those in as well. Blue Shark Overall look is good, captured the long, lean aspect of this species. The dorsal fin is actually rounded on the top, and the tail is a lot straighter than what's portrayed here. http://livingthings.narod.ru/Clt/Ani...Sel/sel017.jpg Tiger Shark Tiger shark looks good. Long and lithe, like the real thing, with good markings. Pelvic fins could be more triangular, but that may be the rendered angle and not how it is built on the model. Great Hammerhead I had the recent privilage of getting to watch a live juvenile in capitivity this past week! Model looks nice, only issues spotted were the second dorsal and anal fin should be larger, and the first dorsal fin should be a lot taller. Hammerheads have very tall, sickle-shaped dorsal fins with short, broad pectoral fins. http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/Galler...d/ghammer2.JPG Great White Nicely done model. Tail and fins are accurate, and the teeth showing in the lower jaw a great touch! Looks like you added an indication of the caudal keel, as was suggested several posts back. I had started sketching out the shark species, but stopped when I remembered I have no way of scanning said sketches, or of getting my photos on the computer at the moment (yay, moving). The images included in the post were all Googled. Down and gone, ~SteelJaw "[Las Vegas] is a city built on the broad shoulders of bad math." --Penn Jillette of Penn and Teller

05-10-2004, 03:23 PM	#145
IXNAY Green Frog Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 840	Wow, that is a long post. Took you some time, huh? Really nice pictures!!! IXNAY dreaming of the serene terrarium - My Private Homepage -

05-10-2004, 08:09 PM	#146
SteelJaw Registered Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, Colorado Posts: 6	Originally posted by IXNAY Wow, that is a long post. Took you some time, huh? Really nice pictures!!! Heh, yeah, I have a tendancy to be over-detailed, and long winded. Comes from years of elasmobranch study, and the fact I'm an artist of the realistic style. The long-winded part I get from my father. ;> The pictures were all found using Google's image search feature. Comes in really handy, especially for references. :> Down and gone, ~SteelJaw "[Las Vegas] is a city built on the broad shoulders of bad math." --Penn Jillette of Penn and Teller

05-10-2004, 09:31 PM	#147
Reichart CTO Prolific Publishing Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui Posts: 423	all cool. *Reichart...* , CTO, Prolific Publishing, Inc. Come visit us Prolific Publishing, Inc.

05-11-2004, 03:53 PM	#148
SteelJaw Registered Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aurora, Colorado Posts: 6	Glad I haven't offended anyone with my nitpickings so far. I was a bit worried about that. :> I still have the sketches I started, if anyone wants them, but if not then I'll put them aside and stop trying to set up my scanner. I've run out of room in the area serving as the computer room! ;> Down and gone, ~SteelJaw "[Las Vegas] is a city built on the broad shoulders of bad math." --Penn Jillette of Penn and Teller

05-11-2004, 04:52 PM	#149
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Don't worry steel, constructive ideas and critique are always welcome. Ideas that are explained and discussed, especially with photos and so on are always welcome. Its people that come in shouting opinions without anything other than an opinion that get people peeved. Keep em coming. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

05-11-2004, 06:10 PM	#150
Marian Nichols ~Author~ Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rocky Mount, NC Posts: 7,429	Well said Michael. Well said.

07-13-2004, 06:38 PM	#151
enigma63941 Registered Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 247	Two cents 1. A saw-tooth fish swimming at the bottom (If that's what they do normally. 2. I quickly browsed through all the posts in this topic and I read of a carousel effect for the SA. If I understand correctly this will be similar to the GA. How about a roaming view similar to sharvisions?

07-20-2004, 11:53 PM	#153
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	I dunno, Steve. Isn't that a deep-sea species? /Tiny Trieste Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

07-22-2004, 12:04 AM	#154
Digital Lungfish Obey the toad! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,557	That being said, I suppose we should rename the screensaver "Terrors of the not so Deep" then? Steve www.tron-sector.com - www.badcartridge.com - www.classicgaming.com - www.dinofish.com Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday...

07-22-2004, 01:56 AM	#155
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Or we could lose the "Terror" part altogether and just consider the sharks beautiful and realistic... Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

07-22-2004, 04:07 PM	#156
IXNAY Green Frog Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 840	Uhhh, now I can't sleep tonight IXNAY dreaming of the serene terrarium - My Private Homepage -

07-22-2004, 08:01 PM	#157
Digital Lungfish Obey the toad! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,557	Sorry IXNAY, did the Goblion shark scare you? Steve www.tron-sector.com - www.badcartridge.com - www.classicgaming.com - www.dinofish.com Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday...

07-22-2004, 08:54 PM	#158
ESHIREY Smilie Dragon Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 4,725	I think it's cool . Thank you for taking the time to read this.

07-23-2004, 11:14 AM	#159
IXNAY Green Frog Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 840	yeah IXNAY dreaming of the serene terrarium - My Private Homepage -

07-23-2004, 11:47 AM	#160
Surferminn Senior Puddle Jumper Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: California Posts: 6,017	you not alone ixnay. that goblin shark gave me the creeps too. i'm not going to buy sharks if they have that character in it. think these sharks should be pg rated.... unless you want to make sure the kiddies stay away from your computerl... be interesting to know how the cats take to sharks....