NEW CRYSTAL VERSION ? - Page 2

Digital Lungfish · 02-08-2003, 04:24 AM

I've seen small ones, and I've seen colorful ones, but I'm still looking for small colorful ones.

Yes, but remember Jim, it was you that said the fish and creatures in the SSA are juveniles which accounts for their small size. So why can't the same thing apply to juvenile stingrays whether they grow to just 1 foot or up to 8 (especially a Blue Spotted Stingray)?

Besides, I've done some looking around and found that they are sold as pets for reef tanks. So I'd say that makes for a larger selection of rays to choose from if we're not limited by mature size.

Jav400 · 02-08-2003, 06:19 AM

Nice photo DL. That one has always been my favorite also.

Jim Sachs · 02-08-2003, 12:36 PM

DL - Yes, they can be juveniles.

fishbowl · 02-09-2003, 12:34 AM

I agree with DL, I think the blue spotted stingray would make a beautiful addition to the aquarium.

Here is some info I found on them:

Blue Dot Stingray - Taeniura lymma
Also known as: Stingray, Blue-Spotted

The Taeniura lymma grows up to 12 inches. The Blue Dot Stingray prefers a tank of at least 130 gallons with plenty of places to hide & swim. The Taeniura lymma is a carnivore and likes to eat variety of chopped crustaceans, fish pieces, shrimp, shellfish, squid. The Blue Dot Stingray is a high maintenance fish and may act aggressively toward other fish. This is not a hardy fish. Not reef-safe. Needs sand, hides in substrate. Sharks & rays should never be exposed to copper-based medicine. Keep water quality high (SG 1.020 - 1.025, pH 8.1 - 8.4, Temp. 72 - 78° F). The Blue Dot Stingray is commonly collected from the Indian Ocean.

Here are a few pics I found: http://www.divegallery.com/spotted.htm
& http://www.angelfire.com/mi2/fishtank/red/image11.html

Hope you will consider it Jim(in either adult/juvenile stage).

Jav400 · 02-09-2003, 06:24 AM

Nice shots, here are a few more closeups:

http://www.colemangallery.com/Portfo...dStingray.html
http://www.laups.org/bcardone/stingray.htm

It seems to be a fairly popular ray and one that there are quite a few close up photo's of out there for detail.

Jim Sachs · 02-09-2003, 05:20 PM

If the adults are 12 inches, then a 6-inch juvenile is a definite possiblity.

Digital Lungfish · 02-09-2003, 11:02 PM

If the adults are 12 inches, then a 6-inch juvenile is a definite possiblity.

Good enough for me. Morgan, please post this critter to the wish list along with my last submission which never did make it on the list. Jim has stated that BOTH are good candidates. I've even resized these images and compressed them to fit the list nicely. Here's another shot of the stingray you can use for the list and a follow up image of the Spotted Drum -

Digital Lungfish · 02-09-2003, 11:03 PM

Oh and by the way, I never did make it to Birch as planned this weekend, some things came up.

Maybe next weekend. Anyway, here's the other fish for the list -

James · 02-10-2003, 12:17 AM

I did mention the Spotted Drum and Javelin Drum fish on the wishlist thread along with the pic b4 didn't I?

They r reall nice fish to add in!!

feldon34 · 02-10-2003, 08:15 AM

No harm in showing it again.

Digital Lungfish · 02-10-2003, 12:52 PM

I did mention the Spotted Drum and Javelin Drum fish on the wishlist thread along with the pic b4 didn't I?

Yeah, you did. You posted several different pics of it after I requested it to Morgan. The more people that ask for it, the better.

feldon34 · 02-10-2003, 01:54 PM

Oh, was that my cue?

I think I will move the wishlist to PHP. Then it's cake to add pictures and people can decide for themselves how fast their internet connection is with a "how many fish to display per page" pull-down menu.

James · 02-10-2003, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Digital Lungfish
. The more people that ask for it, the better.

YES! 100% Agree, then Jim would consider it!!!!

Originally posted by feldon23
. No harm in showing it again.

Yes of coz, I just wanna add my support to DL again!!

Looking forward ur new wishlist page Morgan

Digital Lungfish · 02-10-2003, 04:58 PM

Oh, was that my cue?

Sorry Morgan, next time I'll write it down on paper, wrap it around a rock and toss it through your window.

Digital Lungfish · 02-11-2003, 11:43 AM

fishbowl,

I'm still curious about those other rays in the image you provided (the rays from the hack version of SSA), what is the link to the site you found that image from? I'd like to see what they look like from the top.

kona001 · 02-11-2003, 03:18 PM

A ray is a neat idea. However, wouldn't they try to eat the other fish in the tank? or shock them and eat them? Nobody has to answer my questions, it's ok. =)

Tiny Turtle · 02-11-2003, 03:28 PM

Perhaps the ray could be given a digital restraing preventing it in pretty much the same way as the triggers, damsels and lionfish get along with the others

/Tiny Pacifist

Jav400 · 02-11-2003, 04:23 PM

Kona,

I'm not sure about the "shock" point. You might be thinking of what some call "Electric Eels" in that case, but I could be wrong rays are not something I ever kept in a real tank. There are several species in there already and planned for the future that you would definately NOT put together in a real tank. For example, the planned Octopus wouldn't make it but a matter of hours if that before he would be lunch for an eel. The Lionfish is also a meat eater. Unless the Percula clown was near a protective anemone, he would be lunch also.

There will never be any fighting or "eating" of the other fish or creatures though. When Jim gets the new 3D background out you will have some individual fish behavior's added as well. ie. short chasing or slight territorial behavior, but thats as far as it will go.

Tiny Turtle · 02-11-2003, 04:52 PM

There are "Electric rays" although probably not the best household pets.Read (a bit) more here

/TT

Digital Lungfish · 02-11-2003, 04:57 PM

A ray is a neat idea. However, wouldn't they try to eat the other fish in the tank? or shock them and eat them?

Kona,

Ray's have stingers that release a poison, they don't emit a current like an eel would. The stinger itself is covered by a cartilaginous sheath that breaks apart as it enters your skin. The venom is free-flowing under the sheath and enters the wound as the sheath breaks apart. The stinger itself is serrated and it's removed by the stingray as it swims away to safety. The best thing you can do to avoid being stung is to splash the water as you're entering it, hopefully that will scare away any rays local to you.

02-08-2003, 04:24 AM	#21
Digital Lungfish Obey the toad! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,557	I've seen small ones, and I've seen colorful ones, but I'm still looking for small colorful ones. Yes, but remember Jim, it was you that said the fish and creatures in the SSA are juveniles which accounts for their small size. So why can't the same thing apply to juvenile stingrays whether they grow to just 1 foot or up to 8 (especially a Blue Spotted Stingray)? Besides, I've done some looking around and found that they are sold as pets for reef tanks. So I'd say that makes for a larger selection of rays to choose from if we're not limited by mature size. Steve www.tron-sector.com - www.badcartridge.com - www.classicgaming.com - www.dinofish.com Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday...

02-08-2003, 06:19 AM	#22
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Nice photo DL. That one has always been my favorite also. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

02-08-2003, 12:36 PM	#23
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,774	DL - Yes, they can be juveniles. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-09-2003, 06:24 AM	#25
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Nice shots, here are a few more closeups: http://www.colemangallery.com/Portfo...dStingray.html http://www.laups.org/bcardone/stingray.htm It seems to be a fairly popular ray and one that there are quite a few close up photo's of out there for detail. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

02-09-2003, 05:20 PM	#26
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,774	If the adults are 12 inches, then a 6-inch juvenile is a definite possiblity. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-09-2003, 12:34 AM	#24
fishbowl Cramped Quarters Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: People's Republik of Kalifornia Posts: 223	I agree with DL, I think the blue spotted stingray would make a beautiful addition to the aquarium. Here is some info I found on them: Blue Dot Stingray - Taeniura lymma Also known as: Stingray, Blue-Spotted The Taeniura lymma grows up to 12 inches. The Blue Dot Stingray prefers a tank of at least 130 gallons with plenty of places to hide & swim. The Taeniura lymma is a carnivore and likes to eat variety of chopped crustaceans, fish pieces, shrimp, shellfish, squid. The Blue Dot Stingray is a high maintenance fish and may act aggressively toward other fish. This is not a hardy fish. Not reef-safe. Needs sand, hides in substrate. Sharks & rays should never be exposed to copper-based medicine. Keep water quality high (SG 1.020 - 1.025, pH 8.1 - 8.4, Temp. 72 - 78° F). The Blue Dot Stingray is commonly collected from the Indian Ocean. Here are a few pics I found: http://www.divegallery.com/spotted.htm & http://www.angelfire.com/mi2/fishtank/red/image11.html Hope you will consider it Jim(in either adult/juvenile stage).

02-10-2003, 12:17 AM	#29
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	I did mention the Spotted Drum and Javelin Drum fish on the wishlist thread along with the pic b4 didn't I? They r reall nice fish to add in!! James C Chen Principal Engineer as SDET, Connected Services HTC Corporation 88 Section 3. Zhongxing Road Xindian District, New Taipei City 231, Taiwan www.htc.com

02-10-2003, 08:15 AM	#30
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	No harm in showing it again. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

02-10-2003, 12:52 PM	#31
Digital Lungfish Obey the toad! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,557	I did mention the Spotted Drum and Javelin Drum fish on the wishlist thread along with the pic b4 didn't I? Yeah, you did. You posted several different pics of it after I requested it to Morgan. The more people that ask for it, the better. Steve www.tron-sector.com - www.badcartridge.com - www.classicgaming.com - www.dinofish.com Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday...

02-10-2003, 01:54 PM	#32
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Oh, was that my cue? I think I will move the wishlist to PHP. Then it's cake to add pictures and people can decide for themselves how fast their internet connection is with a "how many fish to display per page" pull-down menu. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

02-10-2003, 03:32 PM	#33
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	Originally posted by Digital Lungfish . The more people that ask for it, the better. YES! 100% Agree, then Jim would consider it!!!! Originally posted by feldon23 . No harm in showing it again. Yes of coz, I just wanna add my support to DL again!! Looking forward ur new wishlist page Morgan James C Chen Principal Engineer as SDET, Connected Services HTC Corporation 88 Section 3. Zhongxing Road Xindian District, New Taipei City 231, Taiwan www.htc.com

02-10-2003, 04:58 PM	#34
Digital Lungfish Obey the toad! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,557	Oh, was that my cue? Sorry Morgan, next time I'll write it down on paper, wrap it around a rock and toss it through your window. Steve www.tron-sector.com - www.badcartridge.com - www.classicgaming.com - www.dinofish.com Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday...

02-11-2003, 11:43 AM	#35
Digital Lungfish Obey the toad! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,557	fishbowl, I'm still curious about those other rays in the image you provided (the rays from the hack version of SSA), what is the link to the site you found that image from? I'd like to see what they look like from the top. Steve www.tron-sector.com - www.badcartridge.com - www.classicgaming.com - www.dinofish.com Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday...

02-11-2003, 03:18 PM	#36
kona001 New Husband and new Aquarium Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 318	A ray is a neat idea. However, wouldn't they try to eat the other fish in the tank? or shock them and eat them? Nobody has to answer my questions, it's ok. =) "We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail"-W2

02-11-2003, 03:28 PM	#37
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Perhaps the ray could be given a digital restraing preventing it in pretty much the same way as the triggers, damsels and lionfish get along with the others /Tiny Pacifist Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

02-11-2003, 04:23 PM	#38
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Kona, I'm not sure about the "shock" point. You might be thinking of what some call "Electric Eels" in that case, but I could be wrong rays are not something I ever kept in a real tank. There are several species in there already and planned for the future that you would definately NOT put together in a real tank. For example, the planned Octopus wouldn't make it but a matter of hours if that before he would be lunch for an eel. The Lionfish is also a meat eater. Unless the Percula clown was near a protective anemone, he would be lunch also. There will never be any fighting or "eating" of the other fish or creatures though. When Jim gets the new 3D background out you will have some individual fish behavior's added as well. ie. short chasing or slight territorial behavior, but thats as far as it will go. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

02-11-2003, 04:52 PM	#39
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	There are "Electric rays" although probably not the best household pets.Read (a bit) more here /TT

02-11-2003, 04:57 PM	#40
Digital Lungfish Obey the toad! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,557	A ray is a neat idea. However, wouldn't they try to eat the other fish in the tank? or shock them and eat them? Kona, Ray's have stingers that release a poison, they don't emit a current like an eel would. The stinger itself is covered by a cartilaginous sheath that breaks apart as it enters your skin. The venom is free-flowing under the sheath and enters the wound as the sheath breaks apart. The stinger itself is serrated and it's removed by the stingray as it swims away to safety. The best thing you can do to avoid being stung is to splash the water as you're entering it, hopefully that will scare away any rays local to you. Steve www.tron-sector.com - www.badcartridge.com - www.classicgaming.com - www.dinofish.com Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday...