what is CalcNormals ?

999-JAY-999 · 03-25-2003, 05:30 AM

Read and heard about such, and it can be turned on and off with the 'n' key.

But what does it do ??, I hit 'n' key but see no difference..

cjmaddy · 03-25-2003, 05:54 AM

NAAAAAA!

I'm not falling for that one!

Leviathan · 03-25-2003, 07:03 AM

Anyone else have an explanation? I too was wondering what this feature does.

Tiny Turtle · 03-25-2003, 07:18 AM

Cliff,
Please fall for it – They're begging, y'know

CalcTiny

cjmaddy · 03-25-2003, 08:19 AM

SereneScreen Forum > Search > CalcNormals > Perform Search ................ or:-
https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...3159#post23159
https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...4341#post24341

999-JAY-999 · 03-25-2003, 08:52 AM

"With CalcNormals turned off, assumptions about the amount of light hitting each part of each fish are made. With CalcNormals turned on, no assumptions are made. Even the slightest turn of a fin can either catch a glint of light or suddenly be in shadow. Actually, I think the effect can be a tad too strong at times."

OOOHH I SEE....

Something not major drastic on the eye then...

Thanks for the pointer.

cjmaddy · 03-25-2003, 09:31 AM

Choose a fish like the Queen Angel, (old type in v1.1)
Look closely at the caudal peduncle, (that bit between the tail and the body)

Toggle the N key on and off a few times!
If no difference is seen, check out:-
http://www.sony-cp.com/en/support/faq/
http://www.visionexpress.com/
If you DO see a difference, .............. Congratulations! - you've become a believer!

..................... May the CalcNormals be with you!

Wizwad · 03-25-2003, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by cjmaddy
NAAAAAA!

I'm not falling for that one!

ROFL - almost literally! I fell out of my chair!

It may take you a while to see what it does JAY, certainly if you're not sure what you're looking for, but once you notice it it's as clear as day, and you instantly miss it when it's not there any more. At least that's what I found!

I notice it most in the muscles where the tail and the body join. The rippling of the muscles is a joy to behold, though the occasional flashes from the fins are neat too.

Thanks to everyone who pointed out the 'n key' shortcut to me. I felt like slapping myself on the forehead when you mentioned that and Cliff's tag line suddenly made sense! (I originally thought it must be a registry key of some sort!

)

cjmaddy · 03-25-2003, 06:41 PM

Mark,
Some posts on this page may bring a smile, - if you haven't already seen them!
You'll see how that tag line came into existence!

https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...0&pagenumber=4

999-JAY-999 · 03-27-2003, 06:54 AM

cjmaddy said:

Toggle the N key on and off a few times!
If no difference is seen, check out:-
http://www.sony-cp.com/en/support/faq/
http://www.visionexpress.com/
If you DO see a difference, .............. Congratulations! - you've become a believer!

HA--- love the links, perhaps I do need to get my eyes tested or get a decent monitor at least as I can not for the life of me see any difference when I press the 'N' key. Must be this crap monitor... or my glass eye just is not doing the trick!

><}}}'> ><}}}'> ><}}}'>

cjmaddy · 03-27-2003, 12:43 PM

Jay, - Sorry to hear of your failure to see any difference! - Don't know what else we can do!

Mark's description sums it up well:-

I notice it most in the muscles where the tail and the body join. The rippling of the muscles is a joy to behold, though the occasional flashes from the fins are neat too.

All I can add, is that on my setup, the effect is VERY minimal at very low fps! - When we first started testing MAT, I was getting only ~18 fps, - and the N key had no noticeable effect. As various problems were sorted out, my fps increased to ~44 and the N key started to work it's charms. (but resulting in a slight drop in fps to ~39)

Summarizing, - The higher the fps, - the more noticeable the CalcNormals effect, - and the greater are fps lost after the N key is pressed!

If you can get 35/40 fps with CalcNormals ON, but see no difference, - then it's new monitor/Optician time!

Sorry!

999-JAY-999 · 03-28-2003, 02:43 AM

I hit 40/45 fps here at work, 85fps at home....still cant see it.

Not to worry.... CalcNormals or no CalNormals..life goes on.....

Ralph · 03-28-2003, 06:02 PM

Hmmmmmm 115 fps and I can see no difference with "N" but then the control Alt F key sequence mentioned in another post does not work for me either.

ROBERT CRONSHAW · 04-03-2003, 01:28 PM

Well on first glance i thought this topic was a wind-up,but on pressing the n key and dropping from 60fps to 59fps,and noticing the difference(quite blatant with open eyes) I'M A BELIEVER.

cjmaddy · 04-03-2003, 04:39 PM

Robert,

Would I wind anyone up? .... (Don't answer that!) .... Welcome to the believers club!

Mountainmaster · 04-03-2003, 04:41 PM

Well done nCLIFF! Just what we need here, another born again CalcNormals paranoid obsessive.

Did you notice that that new logo of yours could easily be changed to resemble the fish sign! I mean the one that was used by the early christians. And besides, as it is now you might be running the risk of pi**ing off nVidia.

feldon34 · 04-03-2003, 07:18 PM

The way copyright is written in this country, if a company doesn't protect their copyrights by suing people for using an altered version of the logo, they can lose the copyright. Anyone can use the name "Coca-Cola" in certain countries because of this.

It's silly.

Tiny Turtle · 04-04-2003, 01:31 AM

I don't see nVidia UK messing with Cliff on this one – It's used pretty locally, wouldn't you say?

MM,
Got a good example on the fish sign? Did some quick Googling, but didn't come up with anything good. Is it just the " ><> "?

67,
I still have a 1200x1000 copy of the NCliff logo and could try and convert it if you're ok with the Jesus reference.

/Tiny Modification

feldon34 · 04-04-2003, 03:17 AM

http://www.serenescreen.com/product/...screenshot.php

Tiny Turtle · 04-04-2003, 03:26 AM

Oh, thanks.

/Tiny Simplicity

03-25-2003, 05:30 AM	#1
999-JAY-999 Registered Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK Birmingham Posts: 19	what is CalcNormals ? Read and heard about such, and it can be turned on and off with the 'n' key. But what does it do ??, I hit 'n' key but see no difference..

03-25-2003, 07:18 AM	#4
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Cliff, Please fall for it – They're begging, y'know CalcTiny Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

03-25-2003, 08:19 AM	#5
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	SereneScreen Forum > Search > CalcNormals > Perform Search ................ or:- https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...3159#post23159 https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...4341#post24341 Last edited by feldon34; 03-25-2003 at 10:57 AM.

03-25-2003, 09:31 AM	#7
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Choose a fish like the Queen Angel, (old type in v1.1) Look closely at the caudal peduncle, (that bit between the tail and the body) Toggle the N key on and off a few times! If no difference is seen, check out:- http://www.sony-cp.com/en/support/faq/ http://www.visionexpress.com/ If you DO see a difference, .............. Congratulations! - you've become a believer! ..................... May the CalcNormals be with you! Last edited by cjmaddy; 03-25-2003 at 02:34 PM.

03-25-2003, 05:55 PM	#8
Wizwad Only me... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 2,584	Originally posted by cjmaddy NAAAAAA! I'm not falling for that one! ROFL - almost literally! I fell out of my chair! It may take you a while to see what it does JAY, certainly if you're not sure what you're looking for, but once you notice it it's as clear as day, and you instantly miss it when it's not there any more. At least that's what I found! I notice it most in the muscles where the tail and the body join. The rippling of the muscles is a joy to behold, though the occasional flashes from the fins are neat too. Thanks to everyone who pointed out the 'n key' shortcut to me. I felt like slapping myself on the forehead when you mentioned that and Cliff's tag line suddenly made sense! (I originally thought it must be a registry key of some sort! ) Mark ----------- Intel i7 12700K \| Aorus Z690 Pro \| Corsair DDR5 5600 32GB \| Asus Dual RTX3060ti 6GB v2 Mini OC \| Corsair RM850 Gold PSU \| 1TB NVMe M.2 WD Black SN850 \| 4TB Seagate BarraCuda HDD \| Corsair Airflow 5000D Case \| HP 32QHD 4K Monitor \| Windows 11 x64 Professional

03-25-2003, 05:54 AM	#2
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	NAAAAAA! I'm not falling for that one!

03-25-2003, 07:03 AM	#3
Leviathan Siamese Fighting Fish Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 23	Anyone else have an explanation? I too was wondering what this feature does.

03-25-2003, 08:52 AM	#6
999-JAY-999 Registered Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK Birmingham Posts: 19	"With CalcNormals turned off, assumptions about the amount of light hitting each part of each fish are made. With CalcNormals turned on, no assumptions are made. Even the slightest turn of a fin can either catch a glint of light or suddenly be in shadow. Actually, I think the effect can be a tad too strong at times." OOOHH I SEE.... Something not major drastic on the eye then... Thanks for the pointer.

03-25-2003, 06:41 PM	#9
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Mark, Some posts on this page may bring a smile, - if you haven't already seen them! You'll see how that tag line came into existence! https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...0&pagenumber=4

03-27-2003, 06:54 AM	#10
999-JAY-999 Registered Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK Birmingham Posts: 19	cjmaddy said: Toggle the N key on and off a few times! If no difference is seen, check out:- http://www.sony-cp.com/en/support/faq/ http://www.visionexpress.com/ If you DO see a difference, .............. Congratulations! - you've become a believer! HA--- love the links, perhaps I do need to get my eyes tested or get a decent monitor at least as I can not for the life of me see any difference when I press the 'N' key. Must be this crap monitor... or my glass eye just is not doing the trick! ><}}}'> ><}}}'> ><}}}'> Last edited by feldon34; 03-27-2003 at 11:49 AM.

03-27-2003, 12:43 PM	#11
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Jay, - Sorry to hear of your failure to see any difference! - Don't know what else we can do! Mark's description sums it up well:- I notice it most in the muscles where the tail and the body join. The rippling of the muscles is a joy to behold, though the occasional flashes from the fins are neat too. All I can add, is that on my setup, the effect is VERY minimal at very low fps! - When we first started testing MAT, I was getting only ~18 fps, - and the N key had no noticeable effect. As various problems were sorted out, my fps increased to ~44 and the N key started to work it's charms. (but resulting in a slight drop in fps to ~39) Summarizing, - The higher the fps, - the more noticeable the CalcNormals effect, - and the greater are fps lost after the N key is pressed! If you can get 35/40 fps with CalcNormals ON, but see no difference, - then it's new monitor/Optician time! Sorry!

03-28-2003, 02:43 AM	#12
999-JAY-999 Registered Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK Birmingham Posts: 19	I hit 40/45 fps here at work, 85fps at home....still cant see it. Not to worry.... CalcNormals or no CalNormals..life goes on.....

03-28-2003, 06:02 PM	#13
Ralph Retired Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Edmonton Alberta Ca Posts: 2,443	Hmmmmmm 115 fps and I can see no difference with "N" but then the control Alt F key sequence mentioned in another post does not work for me either. Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889 – 1951) The limits of my language are the limits of my mind. All I know is what I have words for.

04-03-2003, 01:28 PM	#14
ROBERT CRONSHAW TheMissingLink Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: lytham st annes--uk Posts: 12	Well on first glance i thought this topic was a wind-up,but on pressing the n key and dropping from 60fps to 59fps,and noticing the difference(quite blatant with open eyes) I'M A BELIEVER.

04-03-2003, 04:39 PM	#15
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Robert, Would I wind anyone up? .... (Don't answer that!) .... Welcome to the believers club!

04-03-2003, 04:41 PM	#16
Mountainmaster Liopleurodon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: 3rd planet Posts: 314	Well done nCLIFF! Just what we need here, another born again CalcNormals paranoid obsessive. Did you notice that that new logo of yours could easily be changed to resemble the fish sign! I mean the one that was used by the early christians. And besides, as it is now you might be running the risk of pi**ing off nVidia.

04-03-2003, 07:18 PM	#17
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	The way copyright is written in this country, if a company doesn't protect their copyrights by suing people for using an altered version of the logo, they can lose the copyright. Anyone can use the name "Coca-Cola" in certain countries because of this. It's silly. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

04-04-2003, 01:31 AM	#18
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	I don't see nVidia UK messing with Cliff on this one – It's used pretty locally, wouldn't you say? MM, Got a good example on the fish sign? Did some quick Googling, but didn't come up with anything good. Is it just the " ><> "? 67, I still have a 1200x1000 copy of the NCliff logo and could try and convert it if you're ok with the Jesus reference. /Tiny Modification Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

04-04-2003, 03:17 AM	#19
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	http://www.serenescreen.com/product/...screenshot.php "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

04-04-2003, 03:26 AM	#20
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Oh, thanks. /Tiny Simplicity Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.