The 3D background

chia_kai · 01-11-2005, 04:22 AM

What will the 3D backgroud be like?
I'm looking forward to it.
And how about those special creatures? Are there some pictures we can take a look?

Tiny Turtle · 01-11-2005, 06:12 AM

It's kind of difficult to answer. Right now the background only exists as a vision in Jim Sachs' head. Expect it to look spectacular though.

The creature pack is equally difficult to predict. We've snapped up various bits and pieces of information over time, but I don't think it's decide which creatures will end up in the pack(s). Here is a link to the Official Wishlist's (not the wishlist thread) section for speciality creatures.

Personally, I suspect an anemone with a Clownfish living in it will be part of the first pack. I know Jim's a bit annoyed by the free-swimming Percula Clownfish in the current aquarium.

feldon34 · 01-11-2005, 09:56 AM

The 3D background will have similar species to what it has now, plus a moving anemone, plus feather dusters. And it will be wider than even the 16:9 and pan back and forth (control with keyboard or disable panning in control panel).

kona001 · 01-12-2005, 12:13 PM

Getting to know Jim and his perfectionism over the years being on and reading this forum, I just know that clownfish is going to look spectacular when it's done. I have a feeling that if the clownfish swimming freely around annoys Jim, then that'll be the first creature he works on

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Marian Nichols · 01-12-2005, 01:23 PM

That bothered me also, I would much prefer seeing it nestle amongst an anemone.

chia_kai · 01-17-2005, 08:39 AM

I found this on the website:
3.Fish_&_Feature_Wishlist

3.1. What special creatures will we see in the Aquarium?
We've already got a Starfish. We will see a Coral Shrimp, Jellyfish, Crab, Nudibranchs, Lobster, Zebra Moray Eel, Ribbon Eel, Sea Horse, Puffer, and Octopus.

3.2. Are there any fish that aren't included in the purchase price of the Aquarium?
So far, the Mandarin Gobi, and Boxfish are slated to be add-on fish.

So I'm looking forward to it!
But can you tell me what the 3d background will be like?
seaweed? coral that can move? caves that eels can live in? a stick that seashore can catch?
Will the pufferfish really get big like a bolloon when it's panicked?
And will the octopus change it's color in different places like the natural ones can do?
But I think I'll need to wait for years to see those special creatures...

feldon34 · 01-17-2005, 08:58 AM

But can you tell me what the 3d background will be like?
seaweed? coral that can move? caves that eels can live in? a stick that seashore can catch?
Will the pufferfish really get big like a bolloon when it's panicked?
And will the octopus change it's color in different places like the natural ones can do?

Yes.

But I think I'll need to wait for years to see those special creatures...

It's hard not to feel this way.

Falz · 01-18-2005, 04:54 AM

Until we actually get it, my official stance has become "We won't be getting it".

Maybe I'm a cynic, but I think I have a fair reason to be. Though just because I bought some software a couple of years ago for $19.95 doesn't mean I'm going to feel short changed, I got my money's worth then. I am not owed anything. But I just don't think it's going to happen, full stop. It will either be completely abandoned or superceeded by an all new MA aquarium.

trooper_trent · 01-22-2005, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by feldon28
The 3D background will have similar species to what it has now, plus a moving anemone, plus feather dusters. And it will be wider than even the 16:9 and pan back and forth (control with keyboard or disable panning in control panel).

hi, I actually stumbled in here because I was flipping through the channels and saw a home shopping network demo for a laptop computer with the screen saver (or very similar) and I wanted to find it. Long story short I made my way here.
my comment was that this screensaver that I just saw looked exactly like this and it did have a moving anemone(sp?) and the clown fish hiding in it. The other thing that was different was the background color changed from blue to pink to purple etc.
Is this the same screensaver or is there another comparable one?
Just browsing through the forums to find out, I get the impression that the moving background/anemone hasnt been released..but I just saw it.
any ideas?
Thanks

James · 01-22-2005, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by trooper_trent
hi, I actually stumbled in here because I was flipping through the channels and saw a home shopping network demo for a laptop computer with the screen saver (or very similar) and I wanted to find it. Long story short I made my way here.
my comment was that this screensaver that I just saw looked exactly like this and it did have a moving anemone(sp?) and the clown fish hiding in it. The other thing that was different was the background color changed from blue to pink to purple etc.
Is this the same screensaver or is there another comparable one?
Just browsing through the forums to find out, I get the impression that the moving background/anemone hasnt been released..but I just saw it.
any ideas?
Thanks

To my knowledge, MA 3D Bakcgorund still in the very begining of development stage, what you saw migth be other similar SS, for moving 3D background with anemone, SimAquarium have it, but the crown fish won't interact with it though. Aqua Real is another one with detail fish movement but its background is static (but Aqua Garden has swaying plants), (find out more info about these two great SS in the "Other Screen Saver" forum section under "Offi topics")or you might seeing a hacked version of MA? or maybe other SS which use MA's coral background.

If you can go back to that demo laptop and try to find out more, then report back here to us about your finding, that'll be great.

PS: Maybe Jim just secrectly develop a 3D MA but keeping it form us, to surprise us in some day?

Marian Nichols · 01-22-2005, 07:12 AM

Not likely, it most likely is another SS, which one will be hard to say.

riz · 03-27-2005, 03:51 PM

Haven't been around for a long time but what is up with the 3d background? I'm a little suprised Jim hasn't finished something he promised 4 years ago .. don't get me wrong, it was worth my money (and is still one of my favorite programs ever) but Jim, your product needs updating as the 2d background just doesn't cut it anymore

Is it still coming and when? other products and even your own freshwater aquarium are passing my old favorite by... is there news or is Marine Aquarium essentially already a 'finished' product?

Jim Sachs · 03-28-2005, 12:33 AM

Still struggling with the 3D background. Every morning I plow into 4 different books on shaders, and every evening I have to admit defeat. I may be too old to learn this stuff.

CephaloP · 03-28-2005, 09:49 AM

I think you're only too old to learn when you decide to stop learning because you know everything. Hopefully you never take up this position.

Though certainly I've met people who seem to have held it for most of their lives.

Edit: But then I've never tried to make a 3-D background either

jimkraz · 03-28-2005, 01:14 PM

Aquazone Desktop Garden from Allume has a moving anemone with the clown fish moving in and out, it also changes colour as described, hope that helps trooper trent.

Sergiales · 03-29-2005, 02:04 AM

Defeated? that word doesn't exist in your vocabulary, Jim. I have to admit that latest versions of DX bring new concepts like pixel and vertex shaders that add a lot of realism. Nothing you can't learn about. Good luck!.

Jim Sachs · 03-29-2005, 02:13 AM

All the books I've found on shaders are either too broad or too specific. Some go into great detail about the assembly-language necessary to communicate with the shader registers, while others give a very general description of what a shader does. But there's a huge middle-ground missing. At the moment, I have no idea where all this assembly language would go in my Aquarium code.

Flavour · 04-04-2005, 05:43 AM

Hi Jim,

I might be able to help you there. I was a professional video-games developer until three years ago and still have contacts which could help you with shaders etc.

I get you in touch etc. simply mail me if you're interested.

ESHIREY · 04-04-2005, 10:37 AM

Hey Flavour, Welcome to the forums. Thanks for the offer. I'm sure Jim will get back to you one way or another.

Again, welcome.

feldon34 · 04-04-2005, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Flavour:

Hi Jim,

I might be able to help you there. I was a professional video-games developer until three years ago and still have contacts which could help you with shaders etc.

I get you in touch etc. simply mail me if you're interested.

Thank you for the generous offer. He won't take it, but it's appreciated just the same.

01-11-2005, 04:22 AM	#1
chia_kai Registered Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Taiwan Posts: 4	The 3D background What will the 3D backgroud be like? I'm looking forward to it. And how about those special creatures? Are there some pictures we can take a look?

01-11-2005, 06:12 AM	#2
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	It's kind of difficult to answer. Right now the background only exists as a vision in Jim Sachs' head. Expect it to look spectacular though. The creature pack is equally difficult to predict. We've snapped up various bits and pieces of information over time, but I don't think it's decide which creatures will end up in the pack(s). Here is a link to the Official Wishlist's (not the wishlist thread) section for speciality creatures. Personally, I suspect an anemone with a Clownfish living in it will be part of the first pack. I know Jim's a bit annoyed by the free-swimming Percula Clownfish in the current aquarium. Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

01-11-2005, 09:56 AM	#3
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	The 3D background will have similar species to what it has now, plus a moving anemone, plus feather dusters. And it will be wider than even the 16:9 and pan back and forth (control with keyboard or disable panning in control panel). "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

01-17-2005, 08:58 AM	#7
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	But can you tell me what the 3d background will be like? seaweed? coral that can move? caves that eels can live in? a stick that seashore can catch? Will the pufferfish really get big like a bolloon when it's panicked? And will the octopus change it's color in different places like the natural ones can do? Yes. But I think I'll need to wait for years to see those special creatures... It's hard not to feel this way. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

01-22-2005, 06:09 AM	#10
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	Originally posted by trooper_trent hi, I actually stumbled in here because I was flipping through the channels and saw a home shopping network demo for a laptop computer with the screen saver (or very similar) and I wanted to find it. Long story short I made my way here. my comment was that this screensaver that I just saw looked exactly like this and it did have a moving anemone(sp?) and the clown fish hiding in it. The other thing that was different was the background color changed from blue to pink to purple etc. Is this the same screensaver or is there another comparable one? Just browsing through the forums to find out, I get the impression that the moving background/anemone hasnt been released..but I just saw it. any ideas? Thanks To my knowledge, MA 3D Bakcgorund still in the very begining of development stage, what you saw migth be other similar SS, for moving 3D background with anemone, SimAquarium have it, but the crown fish won't interact with it though. Aqua Real is another one with detail fish movement but its background is static (but Aqua Garden has swaying plants), (find out more info about these two great SS in the "Other Screen Saver" forum section under "Offi topics")or you might seeing a hacked version of MA? or maybe other SS which use MA's coral background. If you can go back to that demo laptop and try to find out more, then report back here to us about your finding, that'll be great. PS: Maybe Jim just secrectly develop a 3D MA but keeping it form us, to surprise us in some day? James C Chen Principal Engineer as SDET, Connected Services HTC Corporation 88 Section 3. Zhongxing Road Xindian District, New Taipei City 231, Taiwan www.htc.com

01-12-2005, 12:13 PM	#4
kona001 New Husband and new Aquarium Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 318	Getting to know Jim and his perfectionism over the years being on and reading this forum, I just know that clownfish is going to look spectacular when it's done. I have a feeling that if the clownfish swimming freely around annoys Jim, then that'll be the first creature he works on .

01-12-2005, 01:23 PM	#5
Marian Nichols ~Author~ Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rocky Mount, NC Posts: 7,429	That bothered me also, I would much prefer seeing it nestle amongst an anemone.

01-17-2005, 08:39 AM	#6
chia_kai Registered Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Taiwan Posts: 4	I found this on the website: 3.Fish_&_Feature_Wishlist 3.1. What special creatures will we see in the Aquarium? We've already got a Starfish. We will see a Coral Shrimp, Jellyfish, Crab, Nudibranchs, Lobster, Zebra Moray Eel, Ribbon Eel, Sea Horse, Puffer, and Octopus. 3.2. Are there any fish that aren't included in the purchase price of the Aquarium? So far, the Mandarin Gobi, and Boxfish are slated to be add-on fish. So I'm looking forward to it! But can you tell me what the 3d background will be like? seaweed? coral that can move? caves that eels can live in? a stick that seashore can catch? Will the pufferfish really get big like a bolloon when it's panicked? And will the octopus change it's color in different places like the natural ones can do? But I think I'll need to wait for years to see those special creatures...

01-18-2005, 04:54 AM	#8
Falz Registered Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 118	Until we actually get it, my official stance has become "We won't be getting it". Maybe I'm a cynic, but I think I have a fair reason to be. Though just because I bought some software a couple of years ago for $19.95 doesn't mean I'm going to feel short changed, I got my money's worth then. I am not owed anything. But I just don't think it's going to happen, full stop. It will either be completely abandoned or superceeded by an all new MA aquarium.

01-22-2005, 03:53 AM	#9
trooper_trent Registered Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1	Originally posted by feldon28 The 3D background will have similar species to what it has now, plus a moving anemone, plus feather dusters. And it will be wider than even the 16:9 and pan back and forth (control with keyboard or disable panning in control panel). hi, I actually stumbled in here because I was flipping through the channels and saw a home shopping network demo for a laptop computer with the screen saver (or very similar) and I wanted to find it. Long story short I made my way here. my comment was that this screensaver that I just saw looked exactly like this and it did have a moving anemone(sp?) and the clown fish hiding in it. The other thing that was different was the background color changed from blue to pink to purple etc. Is this the same screensaver or is there another comparable one? Just browsing through the forums to find out, I get the impression that the moving background/anemone hasnt been released..but I just saw it. any ideas? Thanks

01-22-2005, 07:12 AM	#11
Marian Nichols ~Author~ Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rocky Mount, NC Posts: 7,429	Not likely, it most likely is another SS, which one will be hard to say. Write paranormal mysteries. Six books so far.

03-27-2005, 03:51 PM	#12
riz Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 30	Haven't been around for a long time but what is up with the 3d background? I'm a little suprised Jim hasn't finished something he promised 4 years ago .. don't get me wrong, it was worth my money (and is still one of my favorite programs ever) but Jim, your product needs updating as the 2d background just doesn't cut it anymore Is it still coming and when? other products and even your own freshwater aquarium are passing my old favorite by... is there news or is Marine Aquarium essentially already a 'finished' product?

03-28-2005, 12:33 AM	#13
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	Still struggling with the 3D background. Every morning I plow into 4 different books on shaders, and every evening I have to admit defeat. I may be too old to learn this stuff. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

03-28-2005, 09:49 AM	#14
CephaloP lurking in the shadows... Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: just a few paces south o' the old willow Posts: 151	I think you're only too old to learn when you decide to stop learning because you know everything. Hopefully you never take up this position. Though certainly I've met people who seem to have held it for most of their lives. Edit: But then I've never tried to make a 3-D background either

03-28-2005, 01:14 PM	#15
jimkraz Registered Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Troon, Scotland Posts: 125	Aquazone Desktop Garden from Allume has a moving anemone with the clown fish moving in and out, it also changes colour as described, hope that helps trooper trent. Something Fishy Going On

03-29-2005, 02:04 AM	#16
Sergiales Software Engineer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Spain Posts: 266	Defeated? that word doesn't exist in your vocabulary, Jim. I have to admit that latest versions of DX bring new concepts like pixel and vertex shaders that add a lot of realism. Nothing you can't learn about. Good luck!. Sincerely, Sergio.

03-29-2005, 02:13 AM	#17
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,791	All the books I've found on shaders are either too broad or too specific. Some go into great detail about the assembly-language necessary to communicate with the shader registers, while others give a very general description of what a shader does. But there's a huge middle-ground missing. At the moment, I have no idea where all this assembly language would go in my Aquarium code. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

04-04-2005, 05:43 AM	#18
Flavour Registered Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1	Hi Jim, I might be able to help you there. I was a professional video-games developer until three years ago and still have contacts which could help you with shaders etc. I get you in touch etc. simply mail me if you're interested.

04-04-2005, 10:37 AM	#19
ESHIREY Smilie Dragon Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 4,725	Hey Flavour, Welcome to the forums. Thanks for the offer. I'm sure Jim will get back to you one way or another. Again, welcome. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

04-04-2005, 05:10 PM	#20
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Originally posted by Flavour: Hi Jim, I might be able to help you there. I was a professional video-games developer until three years ago and still have contacts which could help you with shaders etc. I get you in touch etc. simply mail me if you're interested. Thank you for the generous offer. He won't take it, but it's appreciated just the same. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman