Goldfish vs Freshwater

Quick Death · 03-31-2003, 03:32 PM

What is the difference between the Prolific Goldfish Aquarium and the SereneScreen Freshwater Aquarium ?

feldon34 · 03-31-2003, 03:38 PM

One has goldfish.
One has freshwater fish.

If they were all so easy.

Tiny Turtle · 03-31-2003, 03:39 PM

The (Tropical) Freshwater Aquarium will have typical tropical freshwater fish like neon tetras, Angelfish and a whole bunch of other species. The Goldfish Tank will only have different goldfish and no other species.

/TT

Vish · 03-31-2003, 03:48 PM

Will the code base/resources be common in the 2 screen saver?

OR

They are mutually exclusive?

Quick Death · 03-31-2003, 03:53 PM

will the graphics of the aquarium and fish be created by Jim for the freshwater and goldfish aquarium?

feldon34 · 03-31-2003, 04:20 PM

SereneScreen (Jim Sachs) Freshwater Aquarium
Prolific (!Jim Sachs) Goldfish Aquarium

feldon34 · 03-31-2003, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by Vish
Will the code base/resources be common in the 2 screen saver?

{
FlagPride Flags of North America
Prolific Goldfish Aquarium
SereneScreen Marine Aquarium
SereneScreen Marine Aquarium Time
SereneScreen Freshwater Aquarium

and other products that are still in development
}

are all running on ONE codebase which we call the "GUD".

Everything is now modular. If a bugfix is created to solve a DirectX or Windows problem, it is trivial to implement that bugfix into every other product.

Tiny Turtle · 03-31-2003, 04:26 PM

Gud being Swedish for "God" gives it an interesting twist, no?

Tiny Deity

feldon34 · 03-31-2003, 04:31 PM

I suggested "RUDE" ~ Reichart Unified Development Environment. But he turned that one down.

grape_jellyfish · 03-31-2003, 04:34 PM

Wonder why?

Jim Sachs · 03-31-2003, 06:22 PM

The Freshwater Aquarium is mine - a SereneScreen product. The Goldish Tank is a Prolific product - I have nothing to do with it other than to offer suggestions occasionally.

Reichart · 03-31-2003, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by Tiny Turtle
Gud being Swedish for "God" gives it an interesting twist, no?

Tiny Deity

You know me too well...

Enigma · 03-31-2003, 10:41 PM

I'm starting to think that Reichart is a shape-shifter. :-)

IXNAY · 04-01-2003, 03:50 PM

And the Goldfishtank will have toys in it, the freshwater one only will feature a treasure chest (on/off-option)

Reichart · 04-22-2003, 03:06 AM

Goldfish are fresh water, but these are COMPLETELY different products. The Freshwater Aquarium will feature some new stunning tricks by Jim Sachs.

The Goldfish Aquarium (now available from www.LifeGlobe.com) is focused on the lifelike movement of a fish bread into variation by human control for over 1,500 years. These fish are not of nature. They must fight their plumage, and can barely control their buoyancy. It was quite a task to bring them to life on the screen.

Each product will get us deeper and deeper into a subversive environment. Creating new levels of quality, and detail. This is part of the fun of all of this, subtly adding and perfecting a series of quality products. For news on all of our products visit www.Prolific.com

Socrates · 04-22-2003, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs
The Freshwater Aquarium is mine - a SereneScreen product. The Goldish Tank is a Prolific product - I have nothing to do with it other than to offer suggestions occasionally.

I think this will be the key difference between a nature simulation from anyone else. Until Jim, I just had never seen anything not in a movie or other fixed environment that was realistic in the least.

That is still true, including the goldfish.

The biggest difference will be Jim. And Jim's personal standard for the result.

The goldfish is very very pretty, but nothing about it or it's environment at this point makes me think it looks realistic. This has been true for every single one of the "other" screen savers that get posted so often and now have a separate forum here.

Jim is the basic difference when it comes to very very good simulations and absolutely amazing simulations.

Jim Sachs · 04-22-2003, 03:18 PM

The Japanese specifically asked for a product with this type of goldfish, because they are extremely popular over there. The market demanded, and Prolific responded. I know it's hard for many to believe that they really move like this, but the artist (one of the world's best-known animators) spent a lot of time studying these little fellows. He has a tank at Prolific, and one at home.

In real life, these creatures are just wiggling machines. Any actual swimming motion is purely accidental. In the wild, they would be called "bait", and their life-span would be measured in seconds.

loub516 · 04-22-2003, 05:56 PM

I have been keeping goldfish for years and the long finned varieties move exactly like that. I saw where someone thinks they bump the glass to much. They do that almost as much as they go to the bathroom.

The bodies are like the cheaper varieties you buy at the local pet shop. (a little long from head to tail). I realize that is probably the way most people see goldfish but it would be nice to see some with the show quality body type added at a future date.

Reichart · 04-22-2003, 06:25 PM

Send pointers to pictures, or post images. We want your feedback.

loub516 · 04-22-2003, 07:29 PM

I posted a few pics in the goldfish photos thread. The red & white demekin (telescope eye) has a show quality body. A little deeper from back to stomach, more rounded. The long finned ryukin also has a nice shape, Though a show quality ryukin has more of a humped back. I'll see if I can find any to post in the goldfish pictures section.

03-31-2003, 03:32 PM	#1
Quick Death Registered Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New York Posts: 106	Goldfish vs Freshwater What is the difference between the Prolific Goldfish Aquarium and the SereneScreen Freshwater Aquarium ?

03-31-2003, 03:38 PM	#2
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	One has goldfish. One has freshwater fish. If they were all so easy. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-31-2003, 03:39 PM	#3
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	The (Tropical) Freshwater Aquarium will have typical tropical freshwater fish like neon tetras, Angelfish and a whole bunch of other species. The Goldfish Tank will only have different goldfish and no other species. /TT Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

03-31-2003, 03:48 PM	#4
Vish Registered Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: California Posts: 103	Will the code base/resources be common in the 2 screen saver? OR They are mutually exclusive? --Vish

03-31-2003, 04:20 PM	#6
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	SereneScreen (Jim Sachs) Freshwater Aquarium Prolific (!Jim Sachs) Goldfish Aquarium "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-31-2003, 03:53 PM	#5
Quick Death Registered Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New York Posts: 106	will the graphics of the aquarium and fish be created by Jim for the freshwater and goldfish aquarium?

03-31-2003, 04:21 PM	#7
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Originally posted by Vish Will the code base/resources be common in the 2 screen saver? { FlagPride Flags of North America Prolific Goldfish Aquarium SereneScreen Marine Aquarium SereneScreen Marine Aquarium Time SereneScreen Freshwater Aquarium and other products that are still in development } are all running on ONE codebase which we call the "GUD". Everything is now modular. If a bugfix is created to solve a DirectX or Windows problem, it is trivial to implement that bugfix into every other product. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-31-2003, 04:26 PM	#8
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Gud being Swedish for "God" gives it an interesting twist, no? Tiny Deity Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

03-31-2003, 04:31 PM	#9
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	I suggested "RUDE" ~ Reichart Unified Development Environment. But he turned that one down. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-31-2003, 04:34 PM	#10
grape_jellyfish Registered Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,235	Wonder why? Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass....It's learning to Dance in the Rain.

03-31-2003, 06:22 PM	#11
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	The Freshwater Aquarium is mine - a SereneScreen product. The Goldish Tank is a Prolific product - I have nothing to do with it other than to offer suggestions occasionally. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

03-31-2003, 10:15 PM	#12
Reichart CTO Prolific Publishing Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui Posts: 423	Originally posted by Tiny Turtle Gud being Swedish for "God" gives it an interesting twist, no? Tiny Deity You know me too well... *Reichart...* , CTO, Prolific Publishing, Inc. Come visit us Prolific Publishing, Inc.

03-31-2003, 10:41 PM	#13
Enigma Registered Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntsville, Alabama Posts: 435	I'm starting to think that Reichart is a shape-shifter. :-) ?

04-01-2003, 03:50 PM	#14
IXNAY Green Frog Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 840	And the Goldfishtank will have toys in it, the freshwater one only will feature a treasure chest (on/off-option) IXNAY dreaming of the serene terrarium - My Private Homepage -

04-22-2003, 03:06 AM	#15
Reichart CTO Prolific Publishing Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui Posts: 423	Goldfish are fresh water, but these are COMPLETELY different products. The Freshwater Aquarium will feature some new stunning tricks by Jim Sachs. The Goldfish Aquarium (now available from www.LifeGlobe.com) is focused on the lifelike movement of a fish bread into variation by human control for over 1,500 years. These fish are not of nature. They must fight their plumage, and can barely control their buoyancy. It was quite a task to bring them to life on the screen. Each product will get us deeper and deeper into a subversive environment. Creating new levels of quality, and detail. This is part of the fun of all of this, subtly adding and perfecting a series of quality products. For news on all of our products visit www.Prolific.com *Reichart...* , CTO, Prolific Publishing, Inc. Come visit us Prolific Publishing, Inc. Last edited by Reichart; 04-22-2003 at 01:28 PM.

04-22-2003, 01:14 PM	#16
Socrates Sage Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 1,529	Originally posted by Jim Sachs The Freshwater Aquarium is mine - a SereneScreen product. The Goldish Tank is a Prolific product - I have nothing to do with it other than to offer suggestions occasionally. I think this will be the key difference between a nature simulation from anyone else. Until Jim, I just had never seen anything not in a movie or other fixed environment that was realistic in the least. That is still true, including the goldfish. The biggest difference will be Jim. And Jim's personal standard for the result. The goldfish is very very pretty, but nothing about it or it's environment at this point makes me think it looks realistic. This has been true for every single one of the "other" screen savers that get posted so often and now have a separate forum here. Jim is the basic difference when it comes to very very good simulations and absolutely amazing simulations. Bat rays? We don't need no stinking bat rays!

04-22-2003, 03:18 PM	#17
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	The Japanese specifically asked for a product with this type of goldfish, because they are extremely popular over there. The market demanded, and Prolific responded. I know it's hard for many to believe that they really move like this, but the artist (one of the world's best-known animators) spent a lot of time studying these little fellows. He has a tank at Prolific, and one at home. In real life, these creatures are just wiggling machines. Any actual swimming motion is purely accidental. In the wild, they would be called "bait", and their life-span would be measured in seconds. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

04-22-2003, 05:56 PM	#18
loub516 Registered Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Savannah, Ga. Posts: 421	I have been keeping goldfish for years and the long finned varieties move exactly like that. I saw where someone thinks they bump the glass to much. They do that almost as much as they go to the bathroom. The bodies are like the cheaper varieties you buy at the local pet shop. (a little long from head to tail). I realize that is probably the way most people see goldfish but it would be nice to see some with the show quality body type added at a future date.

04-22-2003, 06:25 PM	#19
Reichart CTO Prolific Publishing Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui Posts: 423	Send pointers to pictures, or post images. We want your feedback. *Reichart...* , CTO, Prolific Publishing, Inc. Come visit us Prolific Publishing, Inc.

04-22-2003, 07:29 PM	#20
loub516 Registered Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Savannah, Ga. Posts: 421	I posted a few pics in the goldfish photos thread. The red & white demekin (telescope eye) has a show quality body. A little deeper from back to stomach, more rounded. The long finned ryukin also has a nice shape, Though a show quality ryukin has more of a humped back. I'll see if I can find any to post in the goldfish pictures section.