XP makes it slower......

xdawgg · 05-30-2002, 01:37 AM

I just installed XP and my screen saver dropped about 10 FPS....any tips on how to make it higher...and why did it do that?

IXNAY · 05-30-2002, 04:17 AM

XP slows down a lot of programs, sorry I have no idea.

chaosworrier · 05-30-2002, 08:13 PM

You will prob find the graphic driver XP is using is not optimised for your specific card (e.g. generic TNT driver rather then specific TNT Detonator).

Try going to the website of your graphics card manufacturer and looking for a XP driver to match your card.

Paul.

Rob · 06-05-2002, 09:46 PM

when I installed XP it brought mine down to barely moving, I updated the driver for the processor and it fixed the problem.

*yep the processor, not the video card

feldon34 · 06-05-2002, 10:08 PM

You mean the VIA 4-in-1 motherboard drivers?

jbh97 · 06-09-2002, 12:15 PM

My First Post in this forum so first just Like to say to Jim: Truely Beautiful!! Keep up the good work and looking forward to the fresh water version.

With regards to XP refresh rate issues ..... the article at
http://www.xp-refresh.net/
addresses some issues on XP refresh rates and how to optermize them so may be helpful.

feldon34 · 06-09-2002, 01:24 PM

Or in short,

Start menu -> Run...

Type dxdiag and Hit OK.

Click the More Help tab at the top.

Click Override next to "Click this button to override DirectDraw's refresh rate (for non-catatonic users only...)"

SpyCatcher · 06-17-2002, 11:28 PM

post your system, drivers and I will try and help.

Don't do the override thing...it will damage your montior. Trust me.....

feldon34 · 06-18-2002, 12:39 AM

Actually, the entire forum is here to help, including Jim Sachs, author of the Aquarium, and several people in the gaming and 3D industry. Lots of resources of information here!

Override (as described above), is useful for getting around the frustrating, non-sensical 60 Hz barrier Windows 2000/XP have on DirectX applications. If you are running Windows at 75 Hz, and your monitor is listed as 75 Hz compatible at the target resolution, there is no safety reason why you can't use override to change all DirectX applications from to 75 Hz.

Now, if you use Override to set your refresh rate to something your monitor is not rated for, then yes you can do damage.

SpyCatcher · 06-18-2002, 09:21 AM

Somewhat true (not trying to be rude) the average person will damage their system this fix is Only for the Very Experienced it is not even recommended on the gaming sites. It is a last restort.

feldon34 · 06-18-2002, 12:14 PM

Wonder when Service Pack 3 for 2000 and Service Pack 1 for XP are coming.

SpyCatcher · 06-18-2002, 12:58 PM

Rumor has it in two weeks....

Shinsa · 06-18-2002, 04:14 PM

info on the XP service pack release

http://news.com.com/2100-1040-848447.html

Rexfelis · 07-09-2002, 01:15 AM

I use Win XP Pro at home & have never had a problem with it. i also had to use the ViaTech 4-in-1 Driver so that may have had something to do with it. i've never noticed any framerates being slow, but i've made some system changes also.

yea, i just kinda babble lol

Tiny Turtle · 07-09-2002, 02:34 PM

I've gotten the weirdest error on my XP Pro. Launching anything using "explorer.exe" makes the cursor change into the hourglass and just about nothing more. This includes emptying the trashcan, launching the Windows Explorer pressing delete/Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V with a file highlighted and stuff like that. Killing explorer.exe in the taskmanager and launching a new one clears this up until I do something again. Using "My Computer" works fine and I can navigate through the directory tree and all (just don't touch delete or those buttons). I can drag stuff to the trashcan though. This whole thing started when I uninstalled some Office97 and Office 2k programs and installed Office XP instead. On the next reboot everything was smashed up... – Can you say Microsloth?

/Tiny Hope

monty_burns_007 · 07-10-2002, 02:41 PM

XP sucks indeed,

everything runs slower unter XP, directx unter Win ME or 98 is much faster on my older Ati Rage 2c (8 Mb)
Under 98 I had to set off my vertical synchronisation and everything runs twice as fast as normal.
Unter XP this option has no effect

Maybe it's time to buy me a newer 3D card

But I can't stand that older hardware ran perfectly in the past on older systems, and newer software just f**ks everything up.

Where's are the better times like WINNT / W95/98.

Looking great Jim, your fishy screensaver, but where keeps the 3D background, it 's almost a half year ago since the last adaptation with the lion-fish wich was a bit a dissapointment, the lionfish doesn't move so beautifully like the older fishies, or it could also be me, don't know the lionfish in real, it also looks quite big though.

Well keep up the good work

Monty

Socrates · 07-11-2002, 01:04 AM

Well I have no hard data, but the few new XP machines I have installed have been flawless and very fast indeed.

One company recently bought two identical Dells, one with XP, onw with 2K (the one employee had a big ild hangup about XP).

Anyway the installations, and setup took me close to half as long on the XP machine, and the CAD programs they were running were far better off under XP.

Was this just some kind of fluke?

The one thing I don't like about XP is having to change a bunch of settings when you first start it up to make not try to be in your face.

However, I will say the new cartoon/jwelery box look is a WELCOME relief for a guy that sees WAY too many grey and blue boxes all day long.

The | Tycoon · 07-12-2002, 09:18 PM

I thought sp1 for XP had already been released

It's certainly looking good here...

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feldon34 · 07-13-2002, 12:29 AM

Windows XP Service Pack 1 and Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 are most certainly not out yet.

A few weeks away still.

The | Tycoon · 07-13-2002, 11:32 AM

"Windows XP Service Pack 1 and Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 are most certainly not out yet.

A few weeks away still."

Absolutely right Feldon23. But this beta release will do just fine for now. It’s working just great

05-30-2002, 01:37 AM	#1
xdawgg Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 16	XP makes it slower...... I just installed XP and my screen saver dropped about 10 FPS....any tips on how to make it higher...and why did it do that?

05-30-2002, 04:17 AM	#2
IXNAY Green Frog Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 840	XP slows down a lot of programs, sorry I have no idea. IXNAY dreaming of the serene terrarium - My Private Homepage -

05-30-2002, 08:13 PM	#3
chaosworrier Registered Join Date: May 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 19	You will prob find the graphic driver XP is using is not optimised for your specific card (e.g. generic TNT driver rather then specific TNT Detonator). Try going to the website of your graphics card manufacturer and looking for a XP driver to match your card. Paul. Soylent Green is People!

06-05-2002, 10:08 PM	#5
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	You mean the VIA 4-in-1 motherboard drivers? "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-09-2002, 01:24 PM	#7
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Or in short, Start menu -> Run... Type dxdiag and Hit OK. Click the More Help tab at the top. Click Override next to "Click this button to override DirectDraw's refresh rate (for non-catatonic users only...)" "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-05-2002, 09:46 PM	#4
Rob Registered Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 33	when I installed XP it brought mine down to barely moving, I updated the driver for the processor and it fixed the problem. *yep the processor, not the video card

06-09-2002, 12:15 PM	#6
jbh97 Registered Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 2	My First Post in this forum so first just Like to say to Jim: Truely Beautiful!! Keep up the good work and looking forward to the fresh water version. With regards to XP refresh rate issues ..... the article at http://www.xp-refresh.net/ addresses some issues on XP refresh rates and how to optermize them so may be helpful.

06-17-2002, 11:28 PM	#8
SpyCatcher Registered Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 15	post your system, drivers and I will try and help. Don't do the override thing...it will damage your montior. Trust me..... Last edited by SpyCatcher; 06-17-2002 at 11:30 PM.

06-18-2002, 12:39 AM	#9
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Actually, the entire forum is here to help, including Jim Sachs, author of the Aquarium, and several people in the gaming and 3D industry. Lots of resources of information here! Override (as described above), is useful for getting around the frustrating, non-sensical 60 Hz barrier Windows 2000/XP have on DirectX applications. If you are running Windows at 75 Hz, and your monitor is listed as 75 Hz compatible at the target resolution, there is no safety reason why you can't use override to change all DirectX applications from to 75 Hz. Now, if you use Override to set your refresh rate to something your monitor is not rated for, then yes you can do damage. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman Last edited by feldon34; 06-18-2002 at 12:41 AM.

06-18-2002, 09:21 AM	#10
SpyCatcher Registered Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 15	Somewhat true (not trying to be rude) the average person will damage their system this fix is Only for the Very Experienced it is not even recommended on the gaming sites. It is a last restort.

06-18-2002, 12:14 PM	#11
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Wonder when Service Pack 3 for 2000 and Service Pack 1 for XP are coming. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-18-2002, 12:58 PM	#12
SpyCatcher Registered Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 15	Rumor has it in two weeks....

06-18-2002, 04:14 PM	#13
Shinsa Registered Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 407	info on the XP service pack release http://news.com.com/2100-1040-848447.html Bob "When you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." _______________________________________________

07-09-2002, 01:15 AM	#14
Rexfelis Registered Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 13	I use Win XP Pro at home & have never had a problem with it. i also had to use the ViaTech 4-in-1 Driver so that may have had something to do with it. i've never noticed any framerates being slow, but i've made some system changes also. yea, i just kinda babble lol

07-09-2002, 02:34 PM	#15
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	How about "XP makes it harder"? I've gotten the weirdest error on my XP Pro. Launching anything using "explorer.exe" makes the cursor change into the hourglass and just about nothing more. This includes emptying the trashcan, launching the Windows Explorer pressing delete/Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V with a file highlighted and stuff like that. Killing explorer.exe in the taskmanager and launching a new one clears this up until I do something again. Using "My Computer" works fine and I can navigate through the directory tree and all (just don't touch delete or those buttons). I can drag stuff to the trashcan though. This whole thing started when I uninstalled some Office97 and Office 2k programs and installed Office XP instead. On the next reboot everything was smashed up... – Can you say Microsloth? /Tiny Hope

07-10-2002, 02:41 PM	#16
monty_burns_007 Registered Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4	XP XP sucks indeed, everything runs slower unter XP, directx unter Win ME or 98 is much faster on my older Ati Rage 2c (8 Mb) Under 98 I had to set off my vertical synchronisation and everything runs twice as fast as normal. Unter XP this option has no effect Maybe it's time to buy me a newer 3D card But I can't stand that older hardware ran perfectly in the past on older systems, and newer software just f**ks everything up. Where's are the better times like WINNT / W95/98. Looking great Jim, your fishy screensaver, but where keeps the 3D background, it 's almost a half year ago since the last adaptation with the lion-fish wich was a bit a dissapointment, the lionfish doesn't move so beautifully like the older fishies, or it could also be me, don't know the lionfish in real, it also looks quite big though. Well keep up the good work Monty

07-11-2002, 01:04 AM	#17
Socrates Sage Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 1,529	Well I have no hard data, but the few new XP machines I have installed have been flawless and very fast indeed. One company recently bought two identical Dells, one with XP, onw with 2K (the one employee had a big ild hangup about XP). Anyway the installations, and setup took me close to half as long on the XP machine, and the CAD programs they were running were far better off under XP. Was this just some kind of fluke? The one thing I don't like about XP is having to change a bunch of settings when you first start it up to make not try to be in your face. However, I will say the new cartoon/jwelery box look is a WELCOME relief for a guy that sees WAY too many grey and blue boxes all day long. Bat rays? We don't need no stinking bat rays!

07-12-2002, 09:18 PM	#18
The \| Tycoon Registered Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: UK Posts: 19	I thought sp1 for XP had already been released I thought sp1 for XP had already been released It's certainly looking good here... <div align=center><a href='http://www.FreePictureHosting.Com'><img src='http://www.freepicturehosting.com/g/119394_T.jpg' border='1' style='border-color: Black;'><br><font face=verdana size=1>FreePictureHosting.com</font></a></div> ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°¤ The \| Tycoon Ô¿Ô ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°¤

07-13-2002, 12:29 AM	#19
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Windows XP Service Pack 1 and Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 are most certainly not out yet. A few weeks away still. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

07-13-2002, 11:32 AM	#20
The \| Tycoon Registered Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: UK Posts: 19	Absolutely right Feldon23 ;-) "Windows XP Service Pack 1 and Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 are most certainly not out yet. A few weeks away still." Absolutely right Feldon23. But this beta release will do just fine for now. It’s working just great ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°¤ The \| Tycoon Ô¿Ô ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°¤