** SS Marine Aquarium 2.0 NEW FISH COMMENTS ** - Page 2

feldon34 · 03-21-2003, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by GMarowski
Feldon,

I think you should have added one more line to the poll...

"Would like to see more fish done by other artists, screened and approved by Jim Sachs himeslf"

Originally posted by Me
These contributions will always have approval from Jim Sachs before official release.

So, keeping in mind that this is an informal poll, what do you think of the new fish?

I was originally going to put "approved by Jim Sachs" on each poll item, but that would have made the poll huge.

BigScreen · 03-21-2003, 07:19 PM

All of the fish are rendered beautifully, so no complaints there, but I will probably never understand the fascination with the Squarespot Anthias...

As more fish are designed and released, I would appreciate the ability to mark certain fish as "never show this one." There a few in the available set that I would prefer never to see in my aquarium.

Assuming that the quality stays high, I think that anyone that can create fish/creatures of that quality level should be encouraged to do so. If there are artists in addition to Jim that can meet the standards set previously, bring on the fish!

Reichart · 03-21-2003, 07:42 PM

Actually, this is my fav. I don't know why. But this is it.
My second is the Clown, then the rest. But, this is ALL about art, opinion, and serenity. Which is what makes this a fun product.

We do plan to improve the UI to allow much better control over the fish. Like “Never show this again” or “Show this just once in a blue moon.”

Discovery One · 03-21-2003, 07:59 PM

My favorites remain the clown (I dunno why, but it would be cool to see them schooling...), the copperband (because of the shimmering effect that no other fish seems to have), and the lionfish, with the working eyes and mouth.

I'm awaiting the 3-D tank, which I'm betting will include either a nudibranch, a seahorse, or a shrimp.

kona001 · 03-21-2003, 09:41 PM

I like the Squarespot Anthias the best of the new fish =)

Digital Lungfish · 03-22-2003, 07:49 PM

Jim/Reichart,

I was wondering, how do you guys decide who does the art and models for each new fish from this point forward? Thus far Jim has been making fish from Morgan's Wish List while Ken has created fish that Prolific wants. Do you have any future plans for a unified Prolific/Jim Wish List? Or will Jim continue on with fish from Morgan's list while Ken and other Prolific artists do fish that Prolific wants?

If you decide to keep the lists divided as they are now, will you ever allow users to submit their fish requests to Prolific as we do here on Morgan's site? Or will you refer to Morgan's list for Prolific made fish? Or perhaps Prolific wants to reserve the right to make fish decisions themselves (internally)?

Just curious...

Jim Sachs · 03-22-2003, 08:19 PM

We haven't talked about any of that yet.

Digital Lungfish · 03-22-2003, 08:25 PM

We haven't talked about any of that yet.

No problem, I can wait.

feldon34 · 03-22-2003, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by Digital Lungfish
Jim/Reichart,

I was wondering, how do you guys decide who does the art and models for each new fish from this point forward? Thus far Jim has been making fish from Morgan's Wish List while Ken has created fish that Prolific wants.

This is not an accurate statement.

Jim has always done the fish he wants. Prolific did the fish they wanted. To my knowledge, the wishlist has not driven Jim's decision-making process in the past. I created the Wishlist (2 pages of it) before Jim had any idea there even WAS a fan site being created.

I *have* e-mailed and chatted with Jim in the past about which fish are "likely" or "unlikely", which is where the green checkmarks and red X's came from.

Jim's red X's have been determined for several reasons:

Aesthetics - Jim doesn't like it
Realism - either it cannot be reproduced in the Aquarium satisfactorily, or even if it DOES look realistic, to the untrained eye, it would look like a 'cartoon' fish. This is why Jim has not filled the tank with wrasses.
Intricate patterns too detailed to look satisfactory on 800x600 or 640x480 displays.
Politics

Do you have any future plans for a unified Prolific/Jim Wish List?

The wishlist, as it stands, is not tailored to anyone but the fans. It is an albeit out-of-date listing of the most-requested fish plus a few biased in my favor.

Not too many people raise a stink about wanting a GENUINE juvenile Emperor Angel [Ken's is an IMPERATOR].

Or will Jim continue on with fish from Morgan's list while Ken and other Prolific artists do fish that Prolific wants?

I don't know who is more likely to do a "popular" fish, Jim or Prolific. I do know that Prolific must've had a reason for steering clear of the Wishlist. And it's funny to say that because they put 2 fish that appear on the wishlist anyway!

I think part of their goal was to put fish that are quite different from Jim's. It is almost a test to see people's reactions. If all the fish were similar-looking or similar in shape to Jim's, then they might be dismissed as half-efforts, but since an effort is being made to do something new, they will hopefully be judged on their own merits.

I think any artist stepping up to the plate of Jim's Aquarium would be wise to also "test the waters" with a few break-the-mould fish.

If you decide to keep the lists divided as they are now, will you ever allow users to submit their fish requests to Prolific as we do here on Morgan's site?

Prolific has looked at our wishlist quite extensively and, to my knowledge, does not have any official wishlist of their own. And I don't think they have permanently included or excluded any fish/creature just yet.

Or perhaps Prolific wants to reserve the right to make fish decisions themselves?

We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone.

Digital Lungfish · 03-23-2003, 12:22 AM

This is the part where DL buries his head in the sand.

Never mind everyone, never mind.

Reichart · 03-24-2003, 12:13 PM

1. Q: This is the part where DL buries his head in the sand.

A: Hey, no making me feel sorry for you.

OK, here is our basic logic, pretty close for both Sachs and us (Prolfic).

Right now, our basic fish logic is:
Find fish that can be built within the constraints of the current template (meaning, all the fish are currently using the same basic body type, and logic).

Of those that work; which look cool?

Of those that look cool, which one does the artist want to make?
This is art after all.

Once Goldfish Aquarium comes out, we will start to rework the first item of logic, and hopefully open ourselves up to a larger array of possible fish. The reason being that our goldfish are already doing some “new” tricks. Subtle, but new.

There really is no consider for the wish list, other then we check it out to see if it meets the logic. I think I teased Morg once that we try to stay clear of his wishlist. But in fact, the wishlist is a great way to sway a vote. Meaning, if everyone really wants a specific fish, and we can do it, we will.

Digital Lungfish · 03-24-2003, 12:41 PM

A: Hey, no making me feel sorry for you.

Sheesh, what does a guy have to do around here to get a little pity? Oh well!

Speaking of the wish list, Morgan, what's the current status on adding those fish I requested many many moons ago? I thought I read something some where on the forum not too long ago about you and Jav working on changes to it or something to that effect. I'm guessing that's why it hasn't seen an update since ... how long has it been anyway??? Are you guys working on changing the format? Just curious...

Also, Morgan, were you or Jav testing color schemes on the forum this morning? I was browsing and noticed that everything was in a nice deep blue color scheme, then it changed back to the green again shortly afterwards.

feldon34 · 03-24-2003, 01:15 PM

You're now able to pick the new "Blue" theme (actually created for the Mac forum) {EDIT:} in the Settings panel under Options near the bottom.

ROBERT CRONSHAW · 03-24-2003, 03:41 PM

Not had a chance to view them close up for any length of time as i've only got the demo till my new keycode arrives(nudge,nudge),but what i have seen is excellent.

ROBERT CRONSHAW · 03-24-2003, 03:45 PM

Just seen the Squarespot Anthias for the first time,unlike the majority i don;t like this fish.

Leviathan · 03-24-2003, 08:31 PM

New Fish look great, Lion Fish Still the Best though!!!

PaulsPics · 03-31-2003, 10:52 AM

Hey ! ! My Pterois volitans just gobbled up the Pseudanthias pleurotaenia !!

Did not think we could feed the fish ?
Do you think I will get my Squarespot back to-morrow ?

Think it’s a Time, place and date problem !!

ROBERT CRONSHAW · 03-31-2003, 11:52 AM

IF IT'S STILL HUNGRY I'LL EMAIL YOU MINE TOMORROW.

Jav400 · 03-31-2003, 02:36 PM

I have to agree with Robert. That one would be one of my never, or seldom, fish choices at least.

ROBERT CRONSHAW · 03-31-2003, 04:29 PM

Someone agrees with me at last.this one will upset a few though,i don't like the BLUE RING either.Also my clownfish has asked to request an anenome just so he can escape the madding crowd.

View Poll Results: What do you think of the new fish? (MULTIPLE CHOICE!!!)
<img src="images/smilies/thumb.gif" align="middle"> Blue Ring Angelfish	43	40.19%
<img src="images/smilies/thumb.gif" align="middle"> Imperator Angelfish	51	47.66%
<img src="images/smilies/thumb.gif" align="middle"> Redfin Butterflyfish	51	47.66%
<img src="images/smilies/thumb.gif" align="middle"> Rock Beauty Angelfish	38	35.51%
<img src="images/smilies/thumb.gif" align="middle"> Squarespot Anthias	43	40.19%
<img src="images/space.gif" width=4 height=1 align="middle"><img src="images/smilies/biggrin.gif" align="middle"><img src="images/space.gif" width=4 height=1 align="middle"> I can't wait for other artists to do more fish and/or special creatures!	52	48.60%
<img src="images/space.gif" width=2 height=1 align="middle"><img src="images/smilies/artist.gif" align="middle"><img src="images/space.gif" width=1 height=1 align="middle"> I would like to see more fish by other artists.	26	24.30%
<img src="images/space.gif" width=4 height=1 align="middle"><img src="images/smilies/erm.gif" align="middle"><img src="images/space.gif" width=4 height=1 align="middle"> I would prefer if Jim did all new fish/creatures.	27	25.23%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 107. You may not vote on this poll

03-21-2003, 10:45 AM	#21
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Originally posted by GMarowski Feldon, I think you should have added one more line to the poll... "Would like to see more fish done by other artists, screened and approved by Jim Sachs himeslf" Originally posted by Me These contributions will always have approval from Jim Sachs before official release. So, keeping in mind that this is an informal poll, what do you think of the new fish? I was originally going to put "approved by Jim Sachs" on each poll item, but that would have made the poll huge. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-21-2003, 07:19 PM	#22
BigScreen Registered Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 59	All of the fish are rendered beautifully, so no complaints there, but I will probably never understand the fascination with the Squarespot Anthias... As more fish are designed and released, I would appreciate the ability to mark certain fish as "never show this one." There a few in the available set that I would prefer never to see in my aquarium. Assuming that the quality stays high, I think that anyone that can create fish/creatures of that quality level should be encouraged to do so. If there are artists in addition to Jim that can meet the standards set previously, bring on the fish! Scott J. Publisher of The BigScreen Cinema Guide

03-21-2003, 07:42 PM	#23
Reichart CTO Prolific Publishing Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui Posts: 423	Squarespot Actually, this is my fav. I don't know why. But this is it. My second is the Clown, then the rest. But, this is ALL about art, opinion, and serenity. Which is what makes this a fun product. We do plan to improve the UI to allow much better control over the fish. Like “Never show this again” or “Show this just once in a blue moon.” *Reichart...* , CTO, Prolific Publishing, Inc. Come visit us Prolific Publishing, Inc.

03-22-2003, 07:49 PM	#26
Digital Lungfish Obey the toad! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,557	Jim/Reichart, I was wondering, how do you guys decide who does the art and models for each new fish from this point forward? Thus far Jim has been making fish from Morgan's Wish List while Ken has created fish that Prolific wants. Do you have any future plans for a unified Prolific/Jim Wish List? Or will Jim continue on with fish from Morgan's list while Ken and other Prolific artists do fish that Prolific wants? If you decide to keep the lists divided as they are now, will you ever allow users to submit their fish requests to Prolific as we do here on Morgan's site? Or will you refer to Morgan's list for Prolific made fish? Or perhaps Prolific wants to reserve the right to make fish decisions themselves (internally)? Just curious... Steve www.tron-sector.com - www.badcartridge.com - www.classicgaming.com - www.dinofish.com Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday...

03-21-2003, 07:59 PM	#24
Discovery One Dave? Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: outside of Atlanta Posts: 60	My favorites remain the clown (I dunno why, but it would be cool to see them schooling...), the copperband (because of the shimmering effect that no other fish seems to have), and the lionfish, with the working eyes and mouth. I'm awaiting the 3-D tank, which I'm betting will include either a nudibranch, a seahorse, or a shrimp.

03-21-2003, 09:41 PM	#25
kona001 New Husband and new Aquarium Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 318	I like the Squarespot Anthias the best of the new fish =)

03-22-2003, 08:19 PM	#27
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,774	We haven't talked about any of that yet. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

03-22-2003, 08:25 PM	#28
Digital Lungfish Obey the toad! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,557	We haven't talked about any of that yet. No problem, I can wait. Steve www.tron-sector.com - www.badcartridge.com - www.classicgaming.com - www.dinofish.com Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday...

03-22-2003, 10:15 PM	#29
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Originally posted by Digital Lungfish Jim/Reichart, I was wondering, how do you guys decide who does the art and models for each new fish from this point forward? Thus far Jim has been making fish from Morgan's Wish List while Ken has created fish that Prolific wants. This is not an accurate statement. Jim has always done the fish he wants. Prolific did the fish they wanted. To my knowledge, the wishlist has not driven Jim's decision-making process in the past. I created the Wishlist (2 pages of it) before Jim had any idea there even WAS a fan site being created. I have e-mailed and chatted with Jim in the past about which fish are "likely" or "unlikely", which is where the green checkmarks and red X's came from. Jim's red X's have been determined for several reasons: Aesthetics - Jim doesn't like it Realism - either it cannot be reproduced in the Aquarium satisfactorily, or even if it DOES look realistic, to the untrained eye, it would look like a 'cartoon' fish. This is why Jim has not filled the tank with wrasses. Intricate patterns too detailed to look satisfactory on 800x600 or 640x480 displays. Politics Do you have any future plans for a unified Prolific/Jim Wish List? The wishlist, as it stands, is not tailored to anyone but the fans. It is an albeit out-of-date listing of the most-requested fish plus a few biased in my favor. Not too many people raise a stink about wanting a GENUINE juvenile Emperor Angel [Ken's is an IMPERATOR]. Or will Jim continue on with fish from Morgan's list while Ken and other Prolific artists do fish that Prolific wants? I don't know who is more likely to do a "popular" fish, Jim or Prolific. I do know that Prolific must've had a reason for steering clear of the Wishlist. And it's funny to say that because they put 2 fish that appear on the wishlist anyway! I think part of their goal was to put fish that are quite different from Jim's. It is almost a test to see people's reactions. If all the fish were similar-looking or similar in shape to Jim's, then they might be dismissed as half-efforts, but since an effort is being made to do something new, they will hopefully be judged on their own merits. I think any artist stepping up to the plate of Jim's Aquarium would be wise to also "test the waters" with a few break-the-mould fish. If you decide to keep the lists divided as they are now, will you ever allow users to submit their fish requests to Prolific as we do here on Morgan's site? Prolific has looked at our wishlist quite extensively and, to my knowledge, does not have any official wishlist of their own. And I don't think they have permanently included or excluded any fish/creature just yet. Or perhaps Prolific wants to reserve the right to make fish decisions themselves? We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-23-2003, 12:22 AM	#30
Digital Lungfish Obey the toad! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,557	This is the part where DL buries his head in the sand. Never mind everyone, never mind. Steve www.tron-sector.com - www.badcartridge.com - www.classicgaming.com - www.dinofish.com Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday...

03-24-2003, 12:13 PM	#31
Reichart CTO Prolific Publishing Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui Posts: 423	Wish list 1. Q: This is the part where DL buries his head in the sand. A: Hey, no making me feel sorry for you. OK, here is our basic logic, pretty close for both Sachs and us (Prolfic). Right now, our basic fish logic is: Find fish that can be built within the constraints of the current template (meaning, all the fish are currently using the same basic body type, and logic). Of those that work; which look cool? Of those that look cool, which one does the artist want to make? This is art after all. Once Goldfish Aquarium comes out, we will start to rework the first item of logic, and hopefully open ourselves up to a larger array of possible fish. The reason being that our goldfish are already doing some “new” tricks. Subtle, but new. There really is no consider for the wish list, other then we check it out to see if it meets the logic. I think I teased Morg once that we try to stay clear of his wishlist. But in fact, the wishlist is a great way to sway a vote. Meaning, if everyone really wants a specific fish, and we can do it, we will. *Reichart...* , CTO, Prolific Publishing, Inc. Come visit us Prolific Publishing, Inc. Last edited by Reichart; 03-24-2003 at 12:51 PM.

03-24-2003, 12:41 PM	#32
Digital Lungfish Obey the toad! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,557	A: Hey, no making me feel sorry for you. Sheesh, what does a guy have to do around here to get a little pity? Oh well! Speaking of the wish list, Morgan, what's the current status on adding those fish I requested many many moons ago? I thought I read something some where on the forum not too long ago about you and Jav working on changes to it or something to that effect. I'm guessing that's why it hasn't seen an update since ... how long has it been anyway??? Are you guys working on changing the format? Just curious... Also, Morgan, were you or Jav testing color schemes on the forum this morning? I was browsing and noticed that everything was in a nice deep blue color scheme, then it changed back to the green again shortly afterwards. Steve www.tron-sector.com - www.badcartridge.com - www.classicgaming.com - www.dinofish.com Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday...

03-24-2003, 01:15 PM	#33
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	You're now able to pick the new "Blue" theme (actually created for the Mac forum) {EDIT:} in the Settings panel under Options near the bottom. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman Last edited by feldon34; 03-24-2003 at 02:29 PM.

03-24-2003, 03:41 PM	#34
ROBERT CRONSHAW TheMissingLink Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: lytham st annes--uk Posts: 12	Not had a chance to view them close up for any length of time as i've only got the demo till my new keycode arrives(nudge,nudge),but what i have seen is excellent.

03-24-2003, 03:45 PM	#35
ROBERT CRONSHAW TheMissingLink Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: lytham st annes--uk Posts: 12	Just seen the Squarespot Anthias for the first time,unlike the majority i don;t like this fish.

03-24-2003, 08:31 PM	#36
Leviathan Siamese Fighting Fish Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 23	New Fish look great, Lion Fish Still the Best though!!!

03-31-2003, 11:52 AM	#38
ROBERT CRONSHAW TheMissingLink Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: lytham st annes--uk Posts: 12	IF IT'S STILL HUNGRY I'LL EMAIL YOU MINE TOMORROW.

03-31-2003, 02:36 PM	#39
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	I have to agree with Robert. That one would be one of my never, or seldom, fish choices at least. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

03-31-2003, 04:29 PM	#40
ROBERT CRONSHAW TheMissingLink Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: lytham st annes--uk Posts: 12	Someone agrees with me at last.this one will upset a few though,i don't like the BLUE RING either.Also my clownfish has asked to request an anenome just so he can escape the madding crowd.