Automatic Notification of Updates

Dale · 06-13-2010, 01:25 PM

I am subscribed to the Update Thread. https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...ead.php?t=4385

According to the "Update" thread:

Beta 11o was released yesterday (June 12th) at 12:26 AM (CDT). In other words, about 38 hours ago.

I'm not getting email notification of updates any more, it seems.

JohnWho · 06-13-2010, 01:29 PM

Me too.

Seems like a "glitch".

Jim Sachs · 06-13-2010, 01:51 PM

With the last few versions, I've just been updating the text in existing messages on the Announcements thread. I don't know how to get it to send emails.

JohnWho · 06-13-2010, 01:53 PM

Simply posting a new item will trigger the emails.

Evidently, editing the last post does not.

Perhaps you could add the new post and then delete the prior one?

Dale · 06-13-2010, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

With the last few versions, I've just been updating the text in existing messages on the Announcements thread. I don't know how to get it to send emails.

Oh. That also explains:

"Beta 11o was released yesterday (June 12th) at 12:26 AM (CDT). In other words, about 38 hours ago."

Editing the text of an item doesn't change when it says it was posted.

Nor does it change the "Last Post" date/time on the forum main index page.

I guess I should have noticed the tiny "Last edited by Jim Sachs; Today at 01:00 PM.", but the point was really the lack of email notification.

Jim Sachs · 06-13-2010, 02:44 PM

I'll add a new post for the next one.

feldon34 · 06-13-2010, 04:51 PM

Jim,

Creating a new post sends a notification e-mail. Also, I've gone back and cleaned up the thread.

Once 3.1 is released, I'll be doing some substantial archiving and cleanup of this forum. Going forward, Michael and I will be working together to improve how future Betas are handled. Beta testing is a privilege and has the goal of producing a product that meets the needs of customers. We've strayed from those goals.

Dale · 06-13-2010, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by feldon34:

Also, I've gone back and cleaned up the thread.

The FAQ discussion of Sleep could be revised.

JohnWho · 06-14-2010, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by feldon34:

Beta testing is a privilege and has the goal of producing a product that meets the needs of customers.

Agreed. (Not that you need my agreement.)

Believe I tried to portray that in this t h r e a d.

We've strayed from those goals.

I'm curious, in what way(s)?

I believe that those Forum members who downloaded and installed the various betas have provided a lot of very valuable feedback to Jim which has done exactly what I would assume he hoped - provide "a product that meets the needs of customers" with a variety of new features that have been tested including a few minor "clean ups" of the user interface of Marine Aquarium 3.

Some members have even gone so far as to completely remove all traces of previous versions of MA3 in order to facilitate their contribution to the beta testing.

I feel both honored and privileged to have had the opportunity to work with these board members on this.

Dale · 06-14-2010, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

I'll add a new post for the next one.

Worked just fine.

feldon34 · 06-15-2010, 05:17 AM

Originally posted by JohnWho:

Some members have even gone so far as to completely remove all traces of previous versions of MA3 in order to facilitate their contribution to the beta testing.

It takes 5 seconds to download and run MA3Remove.reg.

cjmaddy · 06-15-2010, 06:03 AM

JohnWho · 06-15-2010, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by feldon34:

It takes 5 seconds to download and run MA3Remove.reg.

Does it delete all the files in all the directories that have been produced by the various installations of all of the versions of Marine Aquarium or is it only a registry clean-up?

Either way, this isn't something that should be contentious. The fact that some users have been willing to wipe out any tank/fish settings, background color sets, music lists, and logo/image playlists, each of which takes a bit of time to create, to contribute to the beta testing should be appreciated.

Also, you didn't answer my question above regarding "straying from goals" with betas.

feldon34 · 06-15-2010, 06:47 AM

You're right, I didn't.

JohnWho · 06-15-2010, 07:11 AM

Well, in the words of Jar-Jar Binks:

"How wrude!"

I have learned over the years, that when a Forum or Board owner starts being rude and curt to a member, it is time to leave.

Think I'll take a time out.

feldon34 · 06-15-2010, 08:22 AM

When I try to guide the forums in the direction I think they should be run, people quit.

When I ignore the forums and let them run themselves, people quit.

Maybe it's time to choose the path of least resistance and just let people do what they want.

I could appoint Dale, Cliff, and you as moderators and let the sparks fly.

This forum is 10 years old and has about 10 active members. That is a failure rivaled only by British Petroleum.

Dale · 06-15-2010, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by feldon34:

I could appoint Dale, Cliff, and you as moderators and let the sparks fly.

That is clearly a flame and an attack, and clearly violates the forum rules.

Of much more importance, it is a statement that JohnWho, Cliff, and I have not each made net significant contributions to "the goal of producing a product that meets the needs of customers."

Yeah, Cliff and I often disagree. The result has invariably been a decision regarding product improvement.

I personally consider your statement to be insulting.

That does not mean that I have decided (yet) to quit participating.

feldon34 · 06-15-2010, 08:52 AM

So should I quit and turn over the site to you and John?

feldon34 · 06-15-2010, 09:04 AM

I find it interesting that some of the posters in this thread do not have an avatar or profile pic.

cjmaddy · 06-15-2010, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by feldon34:

So should I quit and turn over the site to you and John?

They've already taken over, haven't they?
Whatever I may be considered to be, I am now enjoying MA less and less as each day goes by.
This used to be my favourite forum to visit..... Not any more!

06-13-2010, 01:25 PM	#1
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Automatic Notification of Updates I am subscribed to the Update Thread. https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...ead.php?t=4385 According to the "Update" thread: Beta 11o was released yesterday (June 12th) at 12:26 AM (CDT). In other words, about 38 hours ago. I'm not getting email notification of updates any more, it seems.

06-13-2010, 01:29 PM	#2
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	Me too. Seems like a "glitch". I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-13-2010, 01:51 PM	#3
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	With the last few versions, I've just been updating the text in existing messages on the Announcements thread. I don't know how to get it to send emails. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

06-13-2010, 01:53 PM	#4
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	Simply posting a new item will trigger the emails. Evidently, editing the last post does not. Perhaps you could add the new post and then delete the prior one? I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-13-2010, 02:44 PM	#6
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,788	I'll add a new post for the next one. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

06-13-2010, 02:41 PM	#5
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: With the last few versions, I've just been updating the text in existing messages on the Announcements thread. I don't know how to get it to send emails. Oh. That also explains: "Beta 11o was released yesterday (June 12th) at 12:26 AM (CDT). In other words, about 38 hours ago." Editing the text of an item doesn't change when it says it was posted. Nor does it change the "Last Post" date/time on the forum main index page. I guess I should have noticed the tiny "Last edited by Jim Sachs; Today at 01:00 PM.", but the point was really the lack of email notification.

06-13-2010, 04:51 PM	#7
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Jim, Creating a new post sends a notification e-mail. Also, I've gone back and cleaned up the thread. Once 3.1 is released, I'll be doing some substantial archiving and cleanup of this forum. Going forward, Michael and I will be working together to improve how future Betas are handled. Beta testing is a privilege and has the goal of producing a product that meets the needs of customers. We've strayed from those goals. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-13-2010, 09:17 PM	#8
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by feldon34: Also, I've gone back and cleaned up the thread. The FAQ discussion of Sleep could be revised.

06-14-2010, 05:08 PM	#9
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	Originally posted by feldon34: Beta testing is a privilege and has the goal of producing a product that meets the needs of customers. Agreed. (Not that you need my agreement.) Believe I tried to portray that in this t h r e a d. We've strayed from those goals. I'm curious, in what way(s)? I believe that those Forum members who downloaded and installed the various betas have provided a lot of very valuable feedback to Jim which has done exactly what I would assume he hoped - provide "a product that meets the needs of customers" with a variety of new features that have been tested including a few minor "clean ups" of the user interface of Marine Aquarium 3. Some members have even gone so far as to completely remove all traces of previous versions of MA3 in order to facilitate their contribution to the beta testing. I feel both honored and privileged to have had the opportunity to work with these board members on this. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-14-2010, 06:56 PM	#10
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: I'll add a new post for the next one. Worked just fine.

06-15-2010, 05:17 AM	#11
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	Originally posted by JohnWho: Some members have even gone so far as to completely remove all traces of previous versions of MA3 in order to facilitate their contribution to the beta testing. It takes 5 seconds to download and run MA3Remove.reg. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-15-2010, 06:03 AM	#12
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854

06-15-2010, 06:04 AM	#13
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	Originally posted by feldon34: It takes 5 seconds to download and run MA3Remove.reg. Does it delete all the files in all the directories that have been produced by the various installations of all of the versions of Marine Aquarium or is it only a registry clean-up? Either way, this isn't something that should be contentious. The fact that some users have been willing to wipe out any tank/fish settings, background color sets, music lists, and logo/image playlists, each of which takes a bit of time to create, to contribute to the beta testing should be appreciated. Also, you didn't answer my question above regarding "straying from goals" with betas. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-15-2010, 06:47 AM	#14
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	You're right, I didn't. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-15-2010, 07:11 AM	#15
JohnWho Registered Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 486	Well, in the words of Jar-Jar Binks: "How wrude!" I have learned over the years, that when a Forum or Board owner starts being rude and curt to a member, it is time to leave. Think I'll take a time out. I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

06-15-2010, 08:22 AM	#16
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	When I try to guide the forums in the direction I think they should be run, people quit. When I ignore the forums and let them run themselves, people quit. Maybe it's time to choose the path of least resistance and just let people do what they want. I could appoint Dale, Cliff, and you as moderators and let the sparks fly. This forum is 10 years old and has about 10 active members. That is a failure rivaled only by British Petroleum. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-15-2010, 08:41 AM	#17
Dale Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 960	Originally posted by feldon34: I could appoint Dale, Cliff, and you as moderators and let the sparks fly. That is clearly a flame and an attack, and clearly violates the forum rules. Of much more importance, it is a statement that JohnWho, Cliff, and I have not each made net significant contributions to "the goal of producing a product that meets the needs of customers." Yeah, Cliff and I often disagree. The result has invariably been a decision regarding product improvement. I personally consider your statement to be insulting. That does not mean that I have decided (yet) to quit participating.

06-15-2010, 08:52 AM	#18
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	So should I quit and turn over the site to you and John? "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-15-2010, 09:04 AM	#19
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,939	I find it interesting that some of the posters in this thread do not have an avatar or profile pic. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-15-2010, 09:14 AM	#20
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Originally posted by feldon34: So should I quit and turn over the site to you and John? They've already taken over, haven't they? Whatever I may be considered to be, I am now enjoying MA less and less as each day goes by. This used to be my favourite forum to visit..... Not any more!