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Old 01-31-2008, 09:57 AM   #1061
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Screen shots might lessen the impact the first time you see if for real. I'll see what the Beta testers think.
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Old 01-31-2008, 10:23 AM   #1062
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Originally posted by Jim Sachs:
Screen shots might lessen the impact the first time you see if for real. I'll see what the Beta testers think.  
In my humble opinion, if an artistically talented person takes a 2D screen shot of a real-time 3D scene, then you get a screen shot that best represents the actual look of the product. Let the average Joe or Jane take that screenshot and it most likely won't have much impact. So Jim Sachs should be the screen shooter, or at least "papally bless" screen shots taken by the faithful beta testers.

I'd counter that a 10-second 720P screen movie made by the artist Jim Sachs would be a very good sneaky peek at MA3.
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Old 01-31-2008, 10:31 AM   #1063
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For those folks who have been with us since the beginning, one might believe that this beta testing is merely a formality and that Marine Aquarium 3 is almost done. It's not. The background is infinitely more complex (as seen on the various setups being tested) and there are still a lot of features that are not implemented.

It would be counterproductive to post a flat screen snapshot of MA3 at this stage because it would just lead to supposition and assumptions being made and, perhaps, disappointment, and an increase in the impatience we're already seeing. We are already getting quite a lot of e-mails from people asking to be in the beta. I know Jim is getting quite a few PMs from people.

While a video might tell the story better, I think this will just lead to frustration. MA3 just plain is not ready yet. I know people are anxious and love Jim's work, I don't blame them, I do as well. But lets not put undue requests on him.
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Old 01-31-2008, 12:01 PM   #1064
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hard to believe that I bought this screen saver so many years ago and havent had a desire to use any other screen saver since. I think .99 was my first one, cant wait to see what version 3 looks like.
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Old 01-31-2008, 02:30 PM   #1065
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Originally posted by Rob:
hard to believe that I bought this screen saver so many years ago and havent had a desire to use any other screen saver since. I think .99 was my first one, cant wait to see what version 3 looks like.  
...that sounds like a long time ago. I presume 2.6 looks quite different to how .99 looked & behaved? Presumably the hardware has also brought about some changes to how the fish look & behave also?
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Old 01-31-2008, 02:35 PM   #1066
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2.6 and .99k have the same hardware limitations. Most of the fish present in .99K appear in 2.6 unchanged.

In short, everything was "done right the first time".
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Old 01-31-2008, 04:03 PM   #1067
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I am encouraged, but still impatient
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Old 01-31-2008, 06:50 PM   #1068
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"I'd counter that a 10-second 720P screen movie made by the artist Jim Sachs would be a very good sneaky peek at MA3."

And it may be a very good sales pitch
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Old 01-31-2008, 07:15 PM   #1069
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But then agian Rembrant would not say hey guys come see what i'm almost done!!!

So take your time Jim.
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Old 01-31-2008, 07:41 PM   #1070
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We've waited this long........

I vote No screenshots till the day or two before release, with a spoiler tag.
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Old 01-31-2008, 08:47 PM   #1071
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Originally posted by Hot:
But then agian Rembrant would not say hey guys come see what i'm almost done!!!  
Of course not. Rembrandt was a 2D artist, Jim Sachs is a 3D artist.
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:03 AM   #1072
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Calm down everyone. Do you remember October?
He always said it is ready in October!
But now the year should be clear: 2008.
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Old 02-02-2008, 03:26 AM   #1073
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Originally posted by Jim Sachs:
Screen shots might lessen the impact the first time you see if for real. I'll see what the Beta testers think.  
I don't think that's a particularly great arguement concerning screenshots, I mean how do games companies get gamers frothing at the bit for their latest game? Sceenshots didn't lessen the effect when I looked at Call of Duty 4, BIOSHOCK etc etc.....it only made me want them more.

Or of course there is YouTube if you want to use video......

Personally, I like seeing projects/games etc etc develop.
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Old 02-02-2008, 08:40 AM   #1074
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Game companies dont show you the whole game before it comes out either.
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Old 02-02-2008, 10:03 AM   #1075
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Originally posted by Jav400:
Game companies dont show you the whole game before it comes out either.  
Neither is Jim as its still in ALPHA.
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Old 02-02-2008, 11:22 AM   #1076
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Yes, it's still in Alpha, but a screen shot would make it look a lot more finished than it is. Most of the work still to be done is on animation and smoothing of edges, neither of which would show up in a screen shot.

I'll consider it, but I'm just afraid that screen shots would just start people hounding me for release dates.
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Old 02-02-2008, 11:40 AM   #1077
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Originally posted by Jim Sachs:
Yes, it's still in Alpha, but a screen shot would make it look a lot more finished than it is. Most of the work still to be done is on animation and smoothing of edges, neither of which would show up in a screen shot.

I'll consider it, but I'm just afraid that screen shots would just start people hounding me for release dates.  
Sceenshots are screenshots, they are what they are, nothing more, nothing less. Nobody is holding you to anything Jim. If people can't read this thread from start to finish that your screensaver is still in ALPHA and not BETA yet then they deserve to be banned.

If you were to post screenshots, I'd start a separate thread and lock posting with additional notes concerning some rules of do's and don'ts.
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Old 02-02-2008, 11:56 AM   #1078
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Originally posted by Jim Sachs:
I'll consider it, but I'm just afraid that screen shots would just start people hounding me for release dates.  
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Old 02-02-2008, 12:05 PM   #1079
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lo @ nick. Yep those are both things to definately avoid.
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Old 02-02-2008, 12:13 PM   #1080
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As I said Jim could have done a Blog and disabled all comments on it...

"The Blog Aquatic with Jim Sachs...."
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