probs with win2k

ficone67 · 02-12-2002, 05:55 AM

hello everybody

can somebody explain me why the ss works on my pc only with win98se and winxp very fine? with win2k I have only 2 fps. I installed everywhere the last video-driver and directx8.1. but no way.

win2k still the same problem.

in additional I tried it on my laptop where win2k is installed and it worked fine till I installed palm software. then I get the same slow framerate as at home.

somebody can explain me how can I fix that?
greetz

ficone67@gmx.ch

Tiny Turtle · 02-12-2002, 06:29 AM

Simplest solution first: Are you sure you're running Windows with 16 bit color depth (aka "High Color"). A 32 (or 24) bit depth ("True Color") slows it down a lot.

If you're already running under 16 bit this most likely is a driver issue. Quite a few cards actually aren't too fond of the latest driver versions. What videocard are you using?

About the Palm thing, I haven't got a clue (if it isn't the same 16/32 thing as stated above) but hopefully someone else comes up with an answer.

feldon34 · 02-12-2002, 09:59 AM

What video chipset does the laptop have?

ficone67 · 02-12-2002, 10:52 AM

hello

the laptop has S3 Savage/ IX IBM. the prob is, that before I installed the palm software everything went fine. At home I have an Nvidia TNT2 32MB video card with all the last drivers, but only with win2k it doesn't work (win98se and winxp all ok). Also there is no palm software installed. Could it be that the last directx doesn't work good with special video cards??
It seems that's a specific problem on win2k.

Both video cards are running with 16bit and also the hardware acceleration is on the max.

Tiny Turtle · 02-12-2002, 12:32 PM

A short while ago we had a heated discussion on the board regarding drivers, TNT2's and nVidia's driver improvments. Could you try and install an older version, preferably (sp?)v6.47 for Win2k/XP which I believe Feldon uses for his TNT Riva card under Win2k.

The latest nVidia driver versions are more optimized for GeForce 3's and the likes of those. Give it a try and see what happens...

/Tiny
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ficone67 · 02-13-2002, 01:04 AM

hi Tiny

many thx for the tips. I`ll try it. But the main problem for me is still the one with laptop. I'm still trying to unterstand why at the beginning all went fine and then after the palm software installation--nada.
any ideas?

Socrates · 02-13-2002, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by ficone67
hi Tiny

many thx for the tips. I`ll try it. But the main problem for me is still the one with laptop. I'm still trying to unterstand why at the beginning all went fine and then after the palm software installation--nada.
any ideas?

Is it a USB palm? If it is, what IRQ are your USB controller and video on?

Tiny Turtle · 02-13-2002, 04:16 AM

Soc's idea sounds goo to me, but if it isn't that. - Have you tried (temporarily) removing the Palm software to see if the system acts normal again. Also, are the problems limited to the aquarium or do other 3D applications cop out too?

/Tiny Tip

Jav400 · 02-13-2002, 04:22 AM

I run the Palm software on my computer at the office and it hasn't made any difference in running the aquarium. My sync with the hand held is through a USB port. The Palm software doesn't seem to make any difference whatsoever.

ficone67 · 02-13-2002, 06:28 AM

@tiny
I can not deinstall this software because the administrator did some adjustments to synchronise with lotus notes and I guess I can fix it by myself. Unfortunately I have no other 3D application installed.

@ Socrates

Yes, it's with USB connection. I checked the irq's but it's seems that the video card is integrated in motherboard...no irq

@Jav400
YOur palm runs with win2k?

Tiny Turtle · 02-13-2002, 06:37 AM

If you want to try a small 3D app there's a demo made in Deutchsland called The Product. It's only 68 kB (!) in size but pack quite a punch!

/Tiny Demo

ficone67 · 02-14-2002, 03:51 PM

hi Tiny

finally at home it works fine. it was really the driver. the direct3d device was not available.
now I have only to find an older driver version for the laptop.

many thx for your tip and all the people here who tried to help me too.

greetz

ficone67

Shinsa · 02-15-2002, 10:27 PM

HOLY COW! What a demo packed into 65K! I would have thought it to be several MBs! How'd they do the sound?!?! I thought a first is was MIDI, but it doesn't play through my MIDI device on my sound card. It comes through as a WAVE.

Reminds me very much of the DEMOS I used to get from a team of Apple IIgs hackers, FTA, in France (Free Tools Association). BOY! They could make some AWESOME demos. This was back in the late 80's! Those guys did stuff with an APPLE II that could not be duplicated on any PC at the time. Even had Amiga users saying WOW!

The guys that made this ".Product" demo seem to be made of the same silicon as the FTA group in France!

TOO COOL! If you havn't seen it, ITS A MUST SEE!! (and it only takes about 10 seconds to download with a dial up!!)

Jav400 · 02-15-2002, 10:40 PM

Shinsa,

After that glowing recommendation from you, I just had to look and see what all the fuss was about. I agree!!

Shinsa · 02-15-2002, 10:55 PM

I'm still wondering how they packed it. I read how they used a mathmatical code to create the textures, but isn't that what happens when you compress a BMP anyway? I know there are better compressions than others.

I'm wondering if it is something like the .FIF format (Fractal Image File). Where a BMP is compressed using FRACTAL math.

02-12-2002, 05:55 AM	#1
ficone67 Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5	probs with win2k hello everybody can somebody explain me why the ss works on my pc only with win98se and winxp very fine? with win2k I have only 2 fps. I installed everywhere the last video-driver and directx8.1. but no way. win2k still the same problem. in additional I tried it on my laptop where win2k is installed and it worked fine till I installed palm software. then I get the same slow framerate as at home. somebody can explain me how can I fix that? greetz ficone67@gmx.ch

02-12-2002, 09:59 AM	#3
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	What video chipset does the laptop have? "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

02-13-2002, 02:03 AM	#7
Socrates Sage Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 1,529	Originally posted by ficone67 hi Tiny many thx for the tips. I`ll try it. But the main problem for me is still the one with laptop. I'm still trying to unterstand why at the beginning all went fine and then after the palm software installation--nada. any ideas? Is it a USB palm? If it is, what IRQ are your USB controller and video on? Bat rays? We don't need no stinking bat rays!

02-13-2002, 04:22 AM	#9
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	I run the Palm software on my computer at the office and it hasn't made any difference in running the aquarium. My sync with the hand held is through a USB port. The Palm software doesn't seem to make any difference whatsoever. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

02-15-2002, 10:27 PM	#13
Shinsa Registered Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 407	HOLY COW! What a demo packed into 65K! I would have thought it to be several MBs! How'd they do the sound?!?! I thought a first is was MIDI, but it doesn't play through my MIDI device on my sound card. It comes through as a WAVE. Reminds me very much of the DEMOS I used to get from a team of Apple IIgs hackers, FTA, in France (Free Tools Association). BOY! They could make some AWESOME demos. This was back in the late 80's! Those guys did stuff with an APPLE II that could not be duplicated on any PC at the time. Even had Amiga users saying WOW! The guys that made this ".Product" demo seem to be made of the same silicon as the FTA group in France! TOO COOL! If you havn't seen it, ITS A MUST SEE!! (and it only takes about 10 seconds to download with a dial up!!) Bob "When you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." _______________________________________________ Last edited by Shinsa; 02-15-2002 at 10:51 PM.

02-12-2002, 06:29 AM	#2
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Simplest solution first: Are you sure you're running Windows with 16 bit color depth (aka "High Color"). A 32 (or 24) bit depth ("True Color") slows it down a lot. If you're already running under 16 bit this most likely is a driver issue. Quite a few cards actually aren't too fond of the latest driver versions. What videocard are you using? About the Palm thing, I haven't got a clue (if it isn't the same 16/32 thing as stated above) but hopefully someone else comes up with an answer.

02-12-2002, 10:52 AM	#4
ficone67 Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5	hello the laptop has S3 Savage/ IX IBM. the prob is, that before I installed the palm software everything went fine. At home I have an Nvidia TNT2 32MB video card with all the last drivers, but only with win2k it doesn't work (win98se and winxp all ok). Also there is no palm software installed. Could it be that the last directx doesn't work good with special video cards?? It seems that's a specific problem on win2k. Both video cards are running with 16bit and also the hardware acceleration is on the max.

02-12-2002, 12:32 PM	#5
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	A short while ago we had a heated discussion on the board regarding drivers, TNT2's and nVidia's driver improvments. Could you try and install an older version, preferably (sp?)v6.47 for Win2k/XP which I believe Feldon uses for his TNT Riva card under Win2k. The latest nVidia driver versions are more optimized for GeForce 3's and the likes of those. Give it a try and see what happens... /Tiny ______________________________________________ Did you guys know Invidia is latin for one of the seven deadly sins, namely envy...

02-13-2002, 01:04 AM	#6
ficone67 Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5	hi Tiny many thx for the tips. I`ll try it. But the main problem for me is still the one with laptop. I'm still trying to unterstand why at the beginning all went fine and then after the palm software installation--nada. any ideas?

02-13-2002, 04:16 AM	#8
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Soc's idea sounds goo to me, but if it isn't that. - Have you tried (temporarily) removing the Palm software to see if the system acts normal again. Also, are the problems limited to the aquarium or do other 3D applications cop out too? /Tiny Tip

02-13-2002, 06:28 AM	#10
ficone67 Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5	@tiny I can not deinstall this software because the administrator did some adjustments to synchronise with lotus notes and I guess I can fix it by myself. Unfortunately I have no other 3D application installed. @ Socrates Yes, it's with USB connection. I checked the irq's but it's seems that the video card is integrated in motherboard...no irq @Jav400 YOur palm runs with win2k?

02-13-2002, 06:37 AM	#11
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	If you want to try a small 3D app there's a demo made in Deutchsland called The Product. It's only 68 kB (!) in size but pack quite a punch! /Tiny Demo

02-14-2002, 03:51 PM	#12
ficone67 Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5	hi Tiny finally at home it works fine. it was really the driver. the direct3d device was not available. now I have only to find an older driver version for the laptop. many thx for your tip and all the people here who tried to help me too. greetz ficone67

02-15-2002, 10:40 PM	#14
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Shinsa, After that glowing recommendation from you, I just had to look and see what all the fuss was about. I agree!! Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

02-15-2002, 10:55 PM	#15
Shinsa Registered Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 407	I'm still wondering how they packed it. I read how they used a mathmatical code to create the textures, but isn't that what happens when you compress a BMP anyway? I know there are better compressions than others. I'm wondering if it is something like the .FIF format (Fractal Image File). Where a BMP is compressed using FRACTAL math. Bob "When you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." _______________________________________________