Problem after downloading M$ Security patches

Jupp · 11-19-2003, 04:20 AM

After downloading the lastest M$ security patches and updates for XP, my MA2 looks like this. Any ideas?

Thanks.

Jim Sachs · 11-19-2003, 10:07 AM

The textures are not being loaded. From the low frame rate, it looks like you have a fairly weak video card. Do you know how much video memory it has?

drfish · 11-19-2003, 10:56 AM

Did those updates include DX9 by any chance? I'd just update your video drivers... 20 FPS at 1280x1024? I bet you have a TNT2, it's old drivers don't play well with DX9...

feldon34 · 11-19-2003, 10:57 AM

Yes, the GOOD, WORKING video driver for your video card was replaced with something else by Microsoft. All too common tale.

You need to roll back your XP to the old driver.

Or you may be able to resolve the problem by holding down the Ctrl key and pressing T in the Aquarium. (You must turn off Exit on Mouse Move first in Settings)

P.S. DirectX is not offered as an upgrade by Windows Update.

midranger4 · 11-19-2003, 06:56 PM

I received the DirectX upgrade via Windows update as illustrated in the attached.

I would advise an uniinstall of this update if it is present in your installation history which can be viewed via the Windows Update web site.

11-19-2003, 07:07 PM

I've tried to download that about ten times, but it always fails to install. I'm glad now that it's never gotten into my system. Thanks for the heads up.

midranger4 · 11-19-2003, 07:18 PM

No problem

I've been running with this update without issue thus far although I did have a strange issue when I downloaded the castle from the *other screensavers* area of this forum. Rendering was totally fubarred and I just pulled the demo screensaver off my system rather than troubleshoot it. Time to go re-install it and see if I can't isolate something specific to the new Directx version that might be causing the problem.

By the way I am a MA customer and a GA customer and wish to offer my compliments to all involved with both products as they are top notch screensavers.

My special thanks to Jim for pioneering the concept and delivering an application that draws an "oooh" or "ahhhh" from folks seeing these apps running on my systems.

I'm running a Dell 8100 P4 @1.7gz with a PNY Ti4400 and both aquariums run flawlessly.

Socrates · 11-19-2003, 08:22 PM

I think DX9 is still in Windows Update just not under the Critical section.

feldon34 · 11-19-2003, 09:54 PM

Didn't know DirectX was a part of Windows Update. Anyway, DirectX cannot be removed or upgraded in any official way.

There are DirectX remover programs.

I think the main culprit in Jupp's situation is the video card driver "update".

Socrates · 11-20-2003, 12:40 AM

I once used system restore to remove DirectX 9.

Although the longer you wait the more drastic that is.

Jupp · 11-20-2003, 06:06 AM

Yes, this is a weak RAGE FURY PRO, but MA2 used to work before. Anyway, I re-installed the drivers and ... voilà. But it doesn't look good on my new 18.1 TFT.

Thanks guys.

Tiny Turtle · 11-20-2003, 07:19 AM

If you spent all those money an 18-incher cost, I would really recommend upgrading your vid card as well. I don't know where in the world you live (as you havent put that in your profile) but a GeForce 4MX card could be had for just ~$3-400. Not much compared to the monitor.

If you want, we'll be happy to discuss a suitable card for you.

/Tiny Rage

midranger4 · 11-20-2003, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by feldon27
Anyway, DirectX cannot be removed or upgraded in any official way.

There are DirectX remover programs.

I think the main culprit in Jupp's situation is the video card driver "update".

Glad to see Jupp's problem has been resolved.

I wasn't aware DirectX was so embedded that a un-install of the patch wouldn't roll it back but in my case I can retreat if required as I created a new Ghost image prior to applying the updates including the DirectX one illustrated in my earlier post.

Once burned by the fire one fears the flame I suppose

Microsoft updates....walk softly and carry a big stick !

feldon34 · 11-20-2003, 04:31 PM

Microsoft's recommended course of procedure to change which version of DirectX you have is to REFORMAT.

Jupp, time to dump that $5 (current prices) card with 1996 technology.

Aopen GeForce 4 MX440 64MB $46.99

GeForce 2 MX400 32MB $34.50

11-19-2003, 10:07 AM	#2
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,774	The textures are not being loaded. From the low frame rate, it looks like you have a fairly weak video card. Do you know how much video memory it has? Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

11-19-2003, 10:56 AM	#3
drfish the Doc Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Zeeland, MI Posts: 5,353	Did those updates include DX9 by any chance? I'd just update your video drivers... 20 FPS at 1280x1024? I bet you have a TNT2, it's old drivers don't play well with DX9... I don't watch commercials.

11-19-2003, 10:57 AM	#4
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Yes, the GOOD, WORKING video driver for your video card was replaced with something else by Microsoft. All too common tale. You need to roll back your XP to the old driver. Or you may be able to resolve the problem by holding down the Ctrl key and pressing T in the Aquarium. (You must turn off Exit on Mouse Move first in Settings) P.S. DirectX is not offered as an upgrade by Windows Update. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

11-19-2003, 08:22 PM	#8
Socrates Sage Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 1,529	I think DX9 is still in Windows Update just not under the Critical section. Bat rays? We don't need no stinking bat rays!

11-19-2003, 09:54 PM	#9
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Didn't know DirectX was a part of Windows Update. Anyway, DirectX cannot be removed or upgraded in any official way. There are DirectX remover programs. I think the main culprit in Jupp's situation is the video card driver "update". "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

11-19-2003, 07:07 PM	#6
klyntun Guest Posts: n/a	I've tried to download that about ten times, but it always fails to install. I'm glad now that it's never gotten into my system. Thanks for the heads up.

11-19-2003, 07:18 PM	#7
midranger4 Registered Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 53	No problem I've been running with this update without issue thus far although I did have a strange issue when I downloaded the castle from the other screensavers area of this forum. Rendering was totally fubarred and I just pulled the demo screensaver off my system rather than troubleshoot it. Time to go re-install it and see if I can't isolate something specific to the new Directx version that might be causing the problem. By the way I am a MA customer and a GA customer and wish to offer my compliments to all involved with both products as they are top notch screensavers. My special thanks to Jim for pioneering the concept and delivering an application that draws an "oooh" or "ahhhh" from folks seeing these apps running on my systems. I'm running a Dell 8100 P4 @1.7gz with a PNY Ti4400 and both aquariums run flawlessly.

11-20-2003, 12:40 AM	#10
Socrates Sage Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 1,529	I once used system restore to remove DirectX 9. Although the longer you wait the more drastic that is. Bat rays? We don't need no stinking bat rays!

11-20-2003, 06:06 AM	#11
Jupp Registered Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2	Yes, this is a weak RAGE FURY PRO, but MA2 used to work before. Anyway, I re-installed the drivers and ... voilà. But it doesn't look good on my new 18.1 TFT. Thanks guys.

11-20-2003, 07:19 AM	#12
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	If you spent all those money an 18-incher cost, I would really recommend upgrading your vid card as well. I don't know where in the world you live (as you havent put that in your profile) but a GeForce 4MX card could be had for just ~$3-400. Not much compared to the monitor. If you want, we'll be happy to discuss a suitable card for you. /Tiny Rage Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

11-20-2003, 01:31 PM	#13
midranger4 Registered Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 53	Originally posted by feldon27 Anyway, DirectX cannot be removed or upgraded in any official way. There are DirectX remover programs. I think the main culprit in Jupp's situation is the video card driver "update". Glad to see Jupp's problem has been resolved. I wasn't aware DirectX was so embedded that a un-install of the patch wouldn't roll it back but in my case I can retreat if required as I created a new Ghost image prior to applying the updates including the DirectX one illustrated in my earlier post. Once burned by the fire one fears the flame I suppose Microsoft updates....walk softly and carry a big stick !

11-20-2003, 04:31 PM	#14
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Microsoft's recommended course of procedure to change which version of DirectX you have is to REFORMAT. Jupp, time to dump that $5 (current prices) card with 1996 technology. Aopen GeForce 4 MX440 64MB $46.99 GeForce 2 MX400 32MB $34.50 "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman