Widescreen Bug on version 2.0.1!!!

03-23-2003, 05:47 PM

A great update. I love the new interface with the fish facts and most of all, I love the new fish especially the blue ring angelfish.

But with more fish comes the wish of more fish on screen at once but arghh!!! It seems that version 2.0 took away my eighth fish!

I have a widescreen 17" iMac at 1440x900 and with version 1.1, I was allowed eight fish on screen. This new version 2.0 doesn't seem to recognize my 17" iMac's display as widescreen and it won't allow me to choose an eighth fish. That parameter is greyed out.

Did anybody else catch this bug?

Hoping for a fix soon.....? Please. I want my eighth fish that was taken away from me.

cjmaddy · 03-23-2003, 06:19 PM

It's not a bug! - Have patience, - I understand the wide version will be along shortly!

Woops! - Just realized this thread is for those strange Muc

computers, sorry! - same applies though! - (I think!)

03-23-2003, 07:11 PM

widescreen version?

wachu talkinabout willis?

The widescreen version is already built-in the screensaver as it was in version 1.1. It's simply activated based on the presence of hardware.

I have a widescreen display and version 2.0 simply doesn't recognize it as such. Therefore, I call it a BUG.

Speaking of bugs... not really a bug, but this new version still doesn't address the "oversight" (as mentioned by the mac porting team in previous threads) of not being able to remember or at least have the option of remembering where the starfish was on the glass once it finally makes it up there. Hard to believe this can't be done in OS X.

mrtew · 03-23-2003, 07:16 PM

The widescreen bug was already announced and debunked on this forum. It just looks like you can't get the 8th fish in the control panel but there really are 8 spots there to select fish. And all eight fish do appear in the tank. Now if that starfish doesn't get a grip I am going to lose mine!

03-23-2003, 07:24 PM

Oh duh.

I'm stupid. I should count before I complain.

You're right, there are 8 fish there! And there are 8 spots to fill in the preferences tab. It was just a bit confusing since a greyed-out area annoucing that the 8 fish is for widescreen only made me think that was an empty and unaccesible parameter.

Nevermind.

Starfish definitely needs to stay put though.

Mabe version 3.0 in 2007?

JimO'Connor · 03-23-2003, 09:28 PM

What is this about the starfish?

JimO'Connor · 03-23-2003, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by FishTacoAfficionado
Mabe version 3.0 in 2007?

We went from version 0 to version 2 in a year on the Mac, simultaneously released with the PC version. I can't make any promises about when 3 will release as the schedule isn't in my hands, but surely there isn't a problem that the product on the Mac isn't maintained, that we don't fix bugs we find, is there?

mrtew · 03-23-2003, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by JimO'Connor
What is this about the starfish?

You know.... you wait forever for the starfish to jump up on the glass and then next time you run MA he is back there lying on the sand..... he never has moved more than an inch in my year of running the Aquarium. On the windows version doesn't he stay up on the glass beween quits/restarts and roam all over the glass?

03-23-2003, 10:40 PM

Yup. As mr. tew said, the starfish fall back on the sand to their "start" position when you exit the screensaver. In the windows version, the last position of the starfish is remembered and the next time the screen saver is activated, you don't have to wait forever for it to crawl back up the glass (if it ever decides to that day) because it continues from where it left off.

The starfish is such a slow moving creature that it needs to be able to start where it left off. Or at least give us an option to do so in the preferences tab. After waiting a long time for the darn thing to finally make it up the glass, it is absolutely disheartening to find out that the little retard fell back to the same start position it always begins its journey from everytime I interrupt and reactivate the screen saver.

Last summer, there was thread here about this and someone from order N dev responded by saying it was an "oversight" and that it would be addressed in the next version. Well, version 1.1.2 was released around this past December and nothing changed with the starfish. So I assumed that maybe the person meant the next MAJOR version. So here we are with the newly released 2.0 and while I love the new interface, the new fish, and the fact that it was a free update, the starfish thing still hasn't been addressed. Please, can this even be done in OSX? Is there some sort of system software limitation due to nature of how screen savers are handled in OSX which lead the developers to a brick wall?

btw, that 2007 comment for version 3.0 was a joke. Fun sarcasm not intended to insult the developers. I know how far marine aquarium OSX has gone in the such a short time and I appreciate the great work that's been done.

feldon34 · 03-24-2003, 06:04 AM

I need to put some kind of message...

"WARNING: This is the Mac forum. PC advisors, know your surroundings. "

cjmaddy · 03-24-2003, 06:37 AM

Point taken Morgan, ........ with apologies!

Would a different background colour for Mac be out of the question? ..... Just a thought!

Tiny Turtle · 03-24-2003, 07:27 AM

Tangerine or lime then, I suppose

iTurtle

feldon34 · 03-24-2003, 09:19 AM

Ok.

feldon34 · 03-24-2003, 09:41 AM

Ooh. Too bright. Let me tweak that a bit.

feldon34 · 03-24-2003, 10:14 AM

Fixed.

JimO'Connor · 03-24-2003, 11:48 AM

There is code in the aquarium to preserve the starfish position when the application is terminated. Use the application to get the starfish to a happy starting position for you. The screen saver follows a slightly different path through identical code, so this is my oversight.

For now, use the application to get the starfish on the glass. Close the application. Launch the application to verify he is still on the glass, then use the screen saver.

Sorry. Fix probably won't be in v2.0.3 as I have a deadline on that and not enough time to look into it.

Thanks for finding this for me.

Take care.

feldon34 · 03-24-2003, 12:04 PM

Comments on the new color scheme?

JimO'Connor · 03-24-2003, 12:33 PM

very tasteful.
;^)

JimO'Connor · 03-24-2003, 12:36 PM

Since this thread started out asking where the 8th fish had gone, and multiple people had made this mistake, that means I should change something in the UI to make it clear. The label was meant to explain why the last fish didn't show up on 4:3 tanks, and it doesn't appear to be doing that well.

What would you suggest? It needs to fit in the space we have -- no fair suggesting things which require we change the size of the dialog much. :^)

feldon34 · 03-24-2003, 01:14 PM

The dialog in question...

03-23-2003, 05:47 PM	#1
FishTacoAfficionado Guest Posts: n/a	Widescreen Bug on version 2.0.1!!! A great update. I love the new interface with the fish facts and most of all, I love the new fish especially the blue ring angelfish. But with more fish comes the wish of more fish on screen at once but arghh!!! It seems that version 2.0 took away my eighth fish! I have a widescreen 17" iMac at 1440x900 and with version 1.1, I was allowed eight fish on screen. This new version 2.0 doesn't seem to recognize my 17" iMac's display as widescreen and it won't allow me to choose an eighth fish. That parameter is greyed out. Did anybody else catch this bug? Hoping for a fix soon.....? Please. I want my eighth fish that was taken away from me.

03-23-2003, 06:19 PM	#2
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	It's not a bug! - Have patience, - I understand the wide version will be along shortly! Woops! - Just realized this thread is for those strange Muc computers, sorry! - same applies though! - (I think!) Last edited by cjmaddy; 03-23-2003 at 07:00 PM.

03-23-2003, 07:16 PM	#4
mrtew Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: michigan Posts: 109	The widescreen bug was already announced and debunked on this forum. It just looks like you can't get the 8th fish in the control panel but there really are 8 spots there to select fish. And all eight fish do appear in the tank. Now if that starfish doesn't get a grip I am going to lose mine! mrtew

03-23-2003, 09:28 PM	#6
JimO'Connor Mac Development Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kenai, Alaska Posts: 678	What is this about the starfish? Jim O'Connor Order N Development

03-23-2003, 09:33 PM	#7
JimO'Connor Mac Development Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kenai, Alaska Posts: 678	Originally posted by FishTacoAfficionado Mabe version 3.0 in 2007? We went from version 0 to version 2 in a year on the Mac, simultaneously released with the PC version. I can't make any promises about when 3 will release as the schedule isn't in my hands, but surely there isn't a problem that the product on the Mac isn't maintained, that we don't fix bugs we find, is there? Jim O'Connor Order N Development

03-23-2003, 07:11 PM	#3
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	widescreen version? wachu talkinabout willis? The widescreen version is already built-in the screensaver as it was in version 1.1. It's simply activated based on the presence of hardware. I have a widescreen display and version 2.0 simply doesn't recognize it as such. Therefore, I call it a BUG. Speaking of bugs... not really a bug, but this new version still doesn't address the "oversight" (as mentioned by the mac porting team in previous threads) of not being able to remember or at least have the option of remembering where the starfish was on the glass once it finally makes it up there. Hard to believe this can't be done in OS X.

03-23-2003, 07:24 PM	#5
FishTacoAfficionado Guest Posts: n/a	Oh duh. I'm stupid. I should count before I complain. You're right, there are 8 fish there! And there are 8 spots to fill in the preferences tab. It was just a bit confusing since a greyed-out area annoucing that the 8 fish is for widescreen only made me think that was an empty and unaccesible parameter. Nevermind. Starfish definitely needs to stay put though. Mabe version 3.0 in 2007?

03-23-2003, 09:35 PM	#8
mrtew Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: michigan Posts: 109	Originally posted by JimO'Connor What is this about the starfish? You know.... you wait forever for the starfish to jump up on the glass and then next time you run MA he is back there lying on the sand..... he never has moved more than an inch in my year of running the Aquarium. On the windows version doesn't he stay up on the glass beween quits/restarts and roam all over the glass? mrtew

03-23-2003, 10:40 PM	#9
FishTacoAfficionado Guest Posts: n/a	Yup. As mr. tew said, the starfish fall back on the sand to their "start" position when you exit the screensaver. In the windows version, the last position of the starfish is remembered and the next time the screen saver is activated, you don't have to wait forever for it to crawl back up the glass (if it ever decides to that day) because it continues from where it left off. The starfish is such a slow moving creature that it needs to be able to start where it left off. Or at least give us an option to do so in the preferences tab. After waiting a long time for the darn thing to finally make it up the glass, it is absolutely disheartening to find out that the little retard fell back to the same start position it always begins its journey from everytime I interrupt and reactivate the screen saver. Last summer, there was thread here about this and someone from order N dev responded by saying it was an "oversight" and that it would be addressed in the next version. Well, version 1.1.2 was released around this past December and nothing changed with the starfish. So I assumed that maybe the person meant the next MAJOR version. So here we are with the newly released 2.0 and while I love the new interface, the new fish, and the fact that it was a free update, the starfish thing still hasn't been addressed. Please, can this even be done in OSX? Is there some sort of system software limitation due to nature of how screen savers are handled in OSX which lead the developers to a brick wall? btw, that 2007 comment for version 3.0 was a joke. Fun sarcasm not intended to insult the developers. I know how far marine aquarium OSX has gone in the such a short time and I appreciate the great work that's been done.

03-24-2003, 06:04 AM	#10
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	I need to put some kind of message... "WARNING: This is the Mac forum. PC advisors, know your surroundings. " "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-24-2003, 06:37 AM	#11
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Point taken Morgan, ........ with apologies! Would a different background colour for Mac be out of the question? ..... Just a thought!

03-24-2003, 07:27 AM	#12
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Tangerine or lime then, I suppose iTurtle Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

03-24-2003, 09:19 AM	#13
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Ok. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-24-2003, 09:41 AM	#14
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Ooh. Too bright. Let me tweak that a bit. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-24-2003, 10:14 AM	#15
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Fixed. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman Last edited by feldon34; 03-24-2003 at 12:03 PM.

03-24-2003, 11:48 AM	#16
JimO'Connor Mac Development Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kenai, Alaska Posts: 678	There is code in the aquarium to preserve the starfish position when the application is terminated. Use the application to get the starfish to a happy starting position for you. The screen saver follows a slightly different path through identical code, so this is my oversight. For now, use the application to get the starfish on the glass. Close the application. Launch the application to verify he is still on the glass, then use the screen saver. Sorry. Fix probably won't be in v2.0.3 as I have a deadline on that and not enough time to look into it. Thanks for finding this for me. Take care. Jim O'Connor Order N Development Last edited by JimO'Connor; 03-24-2003 at 01:34 PM.

03-24-2003, 12:04 PM	#17
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Comments on the new color scheme? "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-24-2003, 12:33 PM	#18
JimO'Connor Mac Development Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kenai, Alaska Posts: 678	very tasteful. ;^) Jim O'Connor Order N Development

03-24-2003, 12:36 PM	#19
JimO'Connor Mac Development Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kenai, Alaska Posts: 678	Since this thread started out asking where the 8th fish had gone, and multiple people had made this mistake, that means I should change something in the UI to make it clear. The label was meant to explain why the last fish didn't show up on 4:3 tanks, and it doesn't appear to be doing that well. What would you suggest? It needs to fit in the space we have -- no fair suggesting things which require we change the size of the dialog much. :^) Jim O'Connor Order N Development

03-24-2003, 01:14 PM	#20
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	The dialog in question... "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman Last edited by feldon34; 03-24-2003 at 06:02 PM.