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Jim Sachs · 06-02-2003, 09:36 PM

Thanks for the info. I found a store in Rolling Hills which also sells it on rocks, when it's "in season" (whatever that means). I plan to get some soon.

feldon34 · 06-03-2003, 04:11 AM

The grower (Gloria) will be in today at that Aquarium shop taking her next order.

Tornado Tom · 06-24-2003, 10:39 PM

Woe! Lot's of work, but uou da man!

telstra111 · 06-28-2003, 10:49 PM

Jim Sachs quote:

"When the plant is photographed against a blue background, then clipped out in a paint program by turning blue to transparent, the object still has an outline of almost-blue pixels that acted as anti-aliasing."

That came from a rather old post. If you plan on doing this sort of work in the future, you might consider investing in proper chroma keying software such as Ultimatte (available as a Photoshop plugin). You will find that matting out becomes a total breeze as your 'blue screen' pixels are completely eliminated with varying degrees of transparency. Blue spill is also handled automatically in most cases. Needless to say if the plants you are photographing are predominantly green then you are much better off using orange screen.

Jim Sachs · 06-29-2003, 12:24 AM

Ah, finally a computer expert. Maybe you can tell me why the cup holder on my computer keeps trying to retract.

telstra111 · 06-29-2003, 01:27 AM

Ah, finally a computer expert. Maybe you can tell me why the cup holder on my computer keeps trying to retract.

It depends on whether you are using a PC or a Mac

feldon34 · 06-29-2003, 06:50 AM

ROFL. Yes, telstra is the voice of reason here. Ultimatte is $$ but is the industry standard for chroma keying. The question is, does Ultimatte work with day-glo orange? Cause these plants are nearly blue.

telstra111 · 06-29-2003, 07:17 AM

I mentioned Ultimatte because I use it and it's a de facto industry standard. It's probably overkill for what Jim Sachs is trying to do. There are plenty of keyers out there that are affordable and probably do near as good a job.

The question is, does Ultimatte work with day-glo orange? Cause these plants are nearly blue.

There is no problem using a keyer that handles only blue/green (Ultimatte will key any colour you want). You just hue-shift the whole image until the background is blue/green then shift it back when you are done

IXNAY · 06-29-2003, 08:03 AM

Hey Jim, was there any freshwateraquarium progress made?

Jim Sachs · 06-29-2003, 10:18 AM

Items which are done: The treasure chest, bubbles, 3 rocks, 2 plants, and 4 fish.

Working on the gravel at the moment. The texture projection angle is giving me a hard time, because of the camera's ability to pan.

cjmaddy · 06-29-2003, 11:29 AM

We are all rooting for you Jim, - Keep up the good work! ...... and best of luck!

ps, Is the Red Tailed Black Shark one of the 4?

Jim Sachs · 06-29-2003, 01:03 PM

Yes, it is.

Completed fish: Red-tailed Shark, Silver Angelfish, Tiger Barb, Cardinal Tetra.

ESHIREY · 06-29-2003, 04:28 PM

Sounds great Jim . Can't wait to see it .

Ralph · 06-29-2003, 08:04 PM

Close enough for an unveiling...... for me..........

Panthera · 06-29-2003, 10:08 PM

Excellent! Keep up the good work!

Yellow Tang · 06-30-2003, 03:03 PM

What do you mean with:

Originally posted by Jim Sachs
camera's ability to pan.

Wasn't that planned for the saltwater 3D background?
Or have I missed something?
I'm definitely confused.

IXNAY · 06-30-2003, 03:28 PM

Wow sounds cool.
The camera will be able to pan??? Woooohhhooooo can't wait

can somebody post pics of the fish wich are done *g*

feldon34 · 06-30-2003, 04:01 PM

I know people are going to kick and scream, but the Freshwater is premiering with a 3D background. I saw it when I visited Jim in April and I can tell you the Goldfish Aquarium will have to play catch-up.

GreenHsiF · 06-30-2003, 05:07 PM

Will there be an on and off switch for the pan feature?

feldon34 · 06-30-2003, 05:23 PM

Oui.

06-02-2003, 09:36 PM	#141
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,774	Thanks for the info. I found a store in Rolling Hills which also sells it on rocks, when it's "in season" (whatever that means). I plan to get some soon. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

06-03-2003, 04:11 AM	#142
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	The grower (Gloria) will be in today at that Aquarium shop taking her next order. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-24-2003, 10:39 PM	#143
Tornado Tom Tommy Turtle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB, CA Posts: 78	Woe! Lot's of work, but uou da man! 14 Little Fish Needs A New Larger Aquarium!

06-29-2003, 12:24 AM	#145
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,774	Ah, finally a computer expert. Maybe you can tell me why the cup holder on my computer keeps trying to retract. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

06-29-2003, 06:50 AM	#147
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	ROFL. Yes, telstra is the voice of reason here. Ultimatte is $$ but is the industry standard for chroma keying. The question is, does Ultimatte work with day-glo orange? Cause these plants are nearly blue. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-28-2003, 10:49 PM	#144
telstra111 Registered Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5	Jim Sachs quote: "When the plant is photographed against a blue background, then clipped out in a paint program by turning blue to transparent, the object still has an outline of almost-blue pixels that acted as anti-aliasing." That came from a rather old post. If you plan on doing this sort of work in the future, you might consider investing in proper chroma keying software such as Ultimatte (available as a Photoshop plugin). You will find that matting out becomes a total breeze as your 'blue screen' pixels are completely eliminated with varying degrees of transparency. Blue spill is also handled automatically in most cases. Needless to say if the plants you are photographing are predominantly green then you are much better off using orange screen.

06-29-2003, 01:27 AM	#146
telstra111 Registered Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5	Ah, finally a computer expert. Maybe you can tell me why the cup holder on my computer keeps trying to retract. It depends on whether you are using a PC or a Mac

06-29-2003, 07:17 AM	#148
telstra111 Registered Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5	I mentioned Ultimatte because I use it and it's a de facto industry standard. It's probably overkill for what Jim Sachs is trying to do. There are plenty of keyers out there that are affordable and probably do near as good a job. The question is, does Ultimatte work with day-glo orange? Cause these plants are nearly blue. There is no problem using a keyer that handles only blue/green (Ultimatte will key any colour you want). You just hue-shift the whole image until the background is blue/green then shift it back when you are done

06-29-2003, 08:03 AM	#149
IXNAY Green Frog Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 840	Hey Jim, was there any freshwateraquarium progress made? IXNAY dreaming of the serene terrarium - My Private Homepage -

06-29-2003, 10:18 AM	#150
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,774	Items which are done: The treasure chest, bubbles, 3 rocks, 2 plants, and 4 fish. Working on the gravel at the moment. The texture projection angle is giving me a hard time, because of the camera's ability to pan. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

06-29-2003, 11:29 AM	#151
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	We are all rooting for you Jim, - Keep up the good work! ...... and best of luck! ps, Is the Red Tailed Black Shark one of the 4?

06-29-2003, 01:03 PM	#152
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,774	Yes, it is. Completed fish: Red-tailed Shark, Silver Angelfish, Tiger Barb, Cardinal Tetra. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

06-29-2003, 04:28 PM	#153
ESHIREY Smilie Dragon Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 4,725	Sounds great Jim . Can't wait to see it . Thank you for taking the time to read this.

06-29-2003, 08:04 PM	#154
Ralph Retired Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Edmonton Alberta Ca Posts: 2,438	Close enough for an unveiling...... for me..........

06-30-2003, 03:03 PM	#156
Yellow Tang YT Join Date: Jan 2002 Tournaments Won: 1 Location: Germany Posts: 729	What do you mean with: Originally posted by Jim Sachs camera's ability to pan. Wasn't that planned for the saltwater 3D background? Or have I missed something? I'm definitely confused.

06-30-2003, 03:28 PM	#157
IXNAY Green Frog Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 840	Wow sounds cool. The camera will be able to pan??? Woooohhhooooo can't wait can somebody post pics of the fish wich are done g IXNAY dreaming of the serene terrarium - My Private Homepage -

06-30-2003, 04:01 PM	#158
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	I know people are going to kick and scream, but the Freshwater is premiering with a 3D background. I saw it when I visited Jim in April and I can tell you the Goldfish Aquarium will have to play catch-up. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-30-2003, 05:07 PM	#159
GreenHsiF SereneScreenFanatic Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 261	Will there be an on and off switch for the pan feature?

06-30-2003, 05:23 PM	#160
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Oui. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman